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|10-09-2014 12:38 PM|
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Anyone ever seen the movie "Sybil" ..?
The poor girl was tortured by her own mother so much that she was afraid of ~dish towels~ .
These are common, ordinary, everyday things that hav a function and use. But mis-used, Anything can hav a negative connotation.
Guns, in the wrong hands, without proper information, can do damage.
So can a garden rake.
LE uses shock or "stimulus" collars all the time. They work.
In the wrong hands, of course these devices can be abused.. but the majority of people that invest the $150 for a dog collar are interested in conditioning behaviors, and getting a dog to listen/obey. Period. Consider a dog that doesn't (listen) and runs across the street and gets hit by a car. The collars help establish consistency, alpha position, and without the owner getting "worn out" with other, more taxing methods.
I use a collar but the way to use it is I really only had to use the stimulus a few times and she caught on fast. Years later, I almost use the "beep" tone exclusively. The "beep" tone sounds as a precursor to the stimuli/shock and the dog knows this. They learn fasst. Combine that with they really do want to please and you hav a highly effective tool.
Personally I think its cruel having to use a needle to giv me that flu shot..
|10-06-2014 01:04 AM|
Originally Posted by Tomcat View Post
|10-05-2014 09:57 AM|
Not sure if all understand impacts..
Does everybody realize this also will ban the electric - invisible fences? Which also use electric shock collars as their means of containing the dogs.
We have a training collar for our dog, which we could find one with the beep only. She has been trained since a puppy to come back when we beep it. Saves going outside and calling her, simply push button and beep. I have yet to find one with the beep only mode though. So this law would effectively also outlaw those who use beeping only.
|07-07-2014 03:18 PM|
Originally Posted by Bob_McBob View Post
As far as research goes, it depends on who is funding the research and who is involved with the research. I think you would get two different results from two studies, one using one low level stim like what Lou trains with and one study using low to high level stems with maybe less experience or less thought into the training. JMO
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|07-07-2014 02:30 PM|
Originally Posted by Baillif View Post
Originally Posted by Michael Ellis
I was going to say I hadn't seen continuous low level stim discussed by positive trainers or those otherwise opposed to ecollar use, but it appears the usual propaganda warns people about new "misleading marketing" like "escape training" and "negative reinforcement". Right before the part where it describes the "common" problem of ecollars malfunctioning spectacularly and causing severe electrical burns while the dog runs around screaming from the continuous torture
|07-07-2014 01:01 PM|
|07-07-2014 12:29 PM|
Originally Posted by Baillif View Post
|07-07-2014 12:15 PM|
|Baillif||What's wrong with using an e collar for "corrections?"|
|07-07-2014 10:51 AM|
I am sure that good trainers can use the tool for other than corrections, but will the majority of people use them that way? Consider prong collars. They can be used in protection training to increase something or other as per some post here quite a while ago, but most people use them for corrections or for power steering.
I am guessing that most people out there training dogs haven't even heard of shaping behavior.
|07-07-2014 03:31 AM|
|Bob_McBob||Is shaping behaviour with continuous low level stim like Lou Castle's protocols especially unusual in the dog training world? Every study about ecollars I read has them being used exclusively for correction, usually with the tone or vibrate as a "warning cue" for an impending correction. They rarely say anything about the model or method of setting working level. The study I'm reading now specifically says they only set the working level once, on the first day of training over a five day period. Results were judged subjectively by owners.|
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