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07-07-2014 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by mego View Post
your vid is private
Actually-- I hadn't published it yet and hadn't realized it. Sorry! It should work now lol

Carey & Jetta
07-07-2014 12:31 PM
mego your vid is private
07-07-2014 12:27 PM

Just an update on my girl....she's been here a little over 2 weeks and she is doing GREAT. She has no issues with the stairs any longer and she sleeps in my room with me. She's pretty much *always* with me, as she prefers to be :-) She's definitely become "my" dog. She's integrated well with our pack, with only a few minor skirmishes. She enjoys her daily long walks, and occasional runs. She transitioned very well and quickly from kennel dog to house dog.

Oh, and I did call and speak with her breeder who was very happy to give me some tips and advise.

Yesterday we went out and did a completely unrehearsed obedience practice. I don't know exactly what she knows yet as I've just concentrated on letting her settle in, but I felt she wanted/needed to do a little work so we did a quick little routine. Mind you, I have *never* worked her before, and only guessed at what she may know--as you can see from the brief video, on our very first try she did a great heel, sit, down, stay, sit-stay, down-stay, recall, & finish and I was very pleased with her focus, considering we've never done a single training session. I'm very impressed and am just dying to get her into obedience classes next month and to start training with a Schutzhund Club soon.

Thanks for all the support and information.

Carey & Jetta
06-27-2014 07:13 AM
lauren43 There is def a difference between a protective reaction and a fear based reaction and I think they are very important to distinguish.

I see many dogs labeled as protective, but then you see them in person and they are simply a jumble of nerves.

My goal in getting a GSD is to have a highly intelligent, easily trainable, active companion for myself. I am not looking for a dog that loves every person they meet, I'm hoping for a dog that will be indifferent to strangers. And will be a solid confident, non-nervous dog. My last dog lived in a state of fear and I never want to see a dog live that way again.

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06-27-2014 05:51 AM
Originally Posted by Vandal View Post
The biggest problem with the internet is people who don’t take the time to read things completely and then add what they “thought” was written to their question.

The reality is this. GSDs are not dogs for just anyone. Dogs are living beings. GSDs were intended to be protective dogs. They are also dogs who are very connected to their owners. Call it loyalty or call it intuition but they know what we are thinking. If you wander around in public feeling like a nervous wreck because you are AFRAID your dog will bark at a person or a dog, you can be sure your dog will do just that. Unless he is a dull, overly friendly Labrador. We are talking about dogs with protective instincts and no, I don’t mean dogs with poor temperament.

I have some very protective, serious dogs. I can take them into cramped Vet waiting rooms with other people and dogs right next to me and they don’t make a sound. Just sit patiently watching me to see what we are going to do next. The main reason I can do that is my attitude. I behave as if there is nothing my dog needs to be concerned with. They know I have the situation under control and that I don’t need their help. If you want your dog to think before he acts, you need to behave in a way where he CAN think clearly. You should also take a good look at the people you come into contact with. Many behave just like I do when I am trying to bring aggression out of a dog in protection training.

HUGE numbers of people disturb their dogs with their own behavior. This is especially true when their dog has barked at someone or something in the past and the people start to “get ready” for it to happen it does. This is because their behavior is telling their dog “something is wrong” every time a dog or a person approaches. I behave the way these people do when I am working my dog in protection. I play the part of a person who needs their dog’s help. I DON’T behave that way when I take my dog out into the general public. It’s a pretty simple truth but people have a hard time accepting it. If you want to be in control of the dog, you have to be in control of yourself. I don’t blame dogs for wanting to bark at some people. So many are simply un-natural in how they behave. I am constantly reminding people to RELAX ....some of them. I’d like to throw in the blind to work on the HB. As I said, I behave like those people when I really want a dog to be aggressive in SchH protection. It’s just not something you can ignore and expect the dog to not be affected by.

I own a boarding kennel, I see MANY poorly bred GSDs . I’m not talking about those kinds of dogs. I am talking about dogs who were bred to have a higher level of social aggression. When I say “manage” I mean controlling yourself as a handler and communicating with your dog. Not simply leaving all the decisions up to them. It shouldn’t really require much more than a spoken word .
There are dull dogs and there are hair triggers, the GSD was intended to be a medium threshold dog. That means watchful and ready....doesn’t have anything to do with being “reactive” a term that has been completely perverted by the many “dog trainers” now. People should spent a bit more time looking at their own behavior when they handle their dog. All dogs strong and weak, would be so much better off if they did.

Also, there are dogs who are like what Stefan is talking about. Not accepting of strangers but very affectionate dogs with the family, etc. That does not put those dogs in the “poor temperament” or “reactive” category. They have always been in the breed and are necessary. The ignorance and labeling by inexperienced people is the main reason we are seeing less and less of them and why we are seeing so many more “clowns” .

My dogs don’t much care for affection and pets from strangers. Therefore, I don’t allow it. I don’t care how many “dog experts” are out there insisting that they are “so good with dogs” so should be allowed to do something stupid like that. You try to pet my dog and you’ll wish the dog bit you...... instead of dealing with me.
This is such a relief to hear. Thank you for posting.
06-27-2014 12:37 AM
Working Prospect question

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg1 View Post
Well its doubtful that your seeing social aggression but you never know until you get someone knowledgable to eval him. NOT a pet trainer or "behaviorist".

Lol I never liked them. All my trainers that I've listened to have been sport. Unfortunately the ones I like are far away. I was told he's good dog that wants to please and is just being a punk.

I really need someone good here. Balanced, positive and force, not pure force or pure positive.

ETA he hasn't reacted full force in front of them. He's usually better behaved. But they still saw some reactions. Probably enough to tell
06-27-2014 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by lalachka View Post
Straight from an Amish puppy mill. At least I'm sure it is. When I went there I didn't see kennels and a thousand dogs, it was only him and another pup in the barn.

But after I got him, I read up on Amish puppy mills and actually found a puppy miller's instructions for others and he says to build the kennels away from sight and right before buyers come to put a few pups in a barn.

So yeah.....
Well its doubtful that your seeing social aggression but you never know until you get someone knowledgable to eval him. NOT a pet trainer or "behaviorist".
06-27-2014 12:28 AM
lalachka Yep. I feel like he doesn't trust me. We have a good relationship, he's attached to my hip lol, we enjoy each other, but I've done so much dumb stuff (let people like friends pet him when I can tell he's uncomfortable, let dogs rough him up (I cringe thinking about it, I was told dogs should work it out)) that I think he feels like he can't trust me to protect him anymore.

Can I ever get it back? I won't let anyone touch him, friends or not. Can he ever learn to trust me again?
06-27-2014 12:20 AM
Vandal Even if he isn't the strongest dog, if you handle him in a confident fashion, it will help his confidence. You can use obedience to tell him how to behave and personally, I would not allow people to pet him. If you come into contact with people, tell your dog to sit and ask them to simply ignore your dog. When you use obedience, to keep him in one place, that too helps build confidence. He figures out that when he sits quietly, nothing bad happens to him. You just have to make sure that is the case and that you are relaxed but ready to "remind him" to stay in the sit. Your voice and your body language really matter, so you have to be relaxed and at the same time ready. Takes a while to master that.
06-27-2014 12:16 AM
lalachka Lies, I most def tense up if I see a dog coming. I know I shouldn't but it's not easy.

About the relationship, I agree))))) that's not the only problem we have so I'm def doing something wrong. The problem with recommending to be a better leader is that I don't know what it means. And even if i did - I am who I am, I can't change at 40)))))

But I agree. It's def something about me. I will think about your post and see how I can fix it. He does things like, scream at the top of his lungs of my daughter and I separate outside, that's also a symptom of something.

Thank you
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