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06-18-2014 12:03 PM
SuperG
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Originally Posted by jocoyn View Post
It is a matter of opinion...it is a matter of fact that the composition of food has changed with extensive factory farming. You can take from that what you choose to.
A good example perhaps....GMOs....corn/soybeans which has been genetically altered to withstand branded herbicides like Roundup....makes me wonder how much Roundup we might be eating???

Assuming "wild game" such as deer and other crop eating animals are free of the chemicals many try to stay away from in their protein sources..is also flawed. They are eating the same field crops ( in many areas ) which are chock full of these pesticides and herbicides.

Granted there are still some areas where wild game is still pretty much untouched by human interaction but it is becoming less and less. Same problem exists with the fish and creatures in our lakes and rivers. I suppose one might try their best to avoid protein sources which contain unwanted chemicals and adjuncts but most likely, the difference isn't in the absence of these undesirable elements just a lesser amount.

Any portion of a food chain is very difficult if not impossible to isolate from the introduction of foreign elements....once they have been implemented.

SuperG
06-18-2014 11:47 AM
jocoyn It is a matter of opinion as to whether or not supplementation is a good idea or that a raw diet from factory fed animals is better than a kibble from pasture raised animals...it is a matter of fact that the composition of food has changed with extensive factory farming. You can take from that what you choose to.
06-18-2014 11:17 AM
SuperG
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So if I feed my dog mostly the general "factory" meats because I can't afford to buy him pasture-raised is there a general supplement that would be ideal to help fill in the gaps of a meat diet with a lower nutrient profile? Or is meat, bones, and organs just fine no matter where they come from?
You are just fine....this idea that a dog needs to be fed free range, pasture raised, open range etc. protein is ridiculous....

I would have a different opinion if a dog lived to be much older. Since dogs live a much shorter lifespan than humans the accumulation of the additives which many people are worried about, don't create the same situation in a dog's health. I feel very confident most any raw diet is better than the protein and fillers in dry dog food.

SuperG
06-18-2014 11:09 AM
Pax8 So if I feed my dog mostly the general "factory" meats because I can't afford to buy him pasture-raised is there a general supplement that would be ideal to help fill in the gaps of a meat diet with a lower nutrient profile? Or is meat, bones, and organs just fine no matter where they come from?
06-18-2014 11:03 AM
carmspack we are also discussing "food" beyond the primary macro nutrients of protein , the 'things' that people consider to be supplements or unnecessary.

when food is empty there is an urge to keep on eating till the body is satisfied. If that takes a great deal of calories to meet , then you have obesity.

we had a thread a while ago with a 'junk eating dog' , grass, stones , etc . PICA , foraging to meet mineral needs.

Food isn't even natural these days and there is a lot of more tinkering coming down the pike .
06-18-2014 10:57 AM
SuperG
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"would fit the category of being raised on a "depleted diet". These carnivores of opportunity seem to be doing just fine..."

they are ?

YOU , the general you , are not doing fine .
Relying on good medicine is NOT the same as relying on good food.
For the first time in generations we will have a generation that will not outlive the parents' .

Sedentary lifestyles and obesity.....are much more the contributing factors ..obviously diet is a big factor but more due to the junk and processed food...not so much the "quality" of beef, chicken, pork etc.

Good example...the rampant spread of type II diabetes ..including children is an effect of crap food and obesity...not the chemicals fed to our protein sources.

This generation which will not out last their predecessors is due to many causes but the protein they ingest as a causal factor is way down on the list.

Oh, the coyotes and fox I see which are preying upon domesticated prey sources are very healthy....and their numbers are increasing...it only makes sense. Easy prey sources for carnivores make a HUGE impact on the proliferation of the species. Robust food sources greatly impact the increased population of most all creatures.

SuperG
06-18-2014 10:44 AM
SuperG
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Originally Posted by jocoyn View Post
Also I would imagine most of the animals being preyed on are NOT the chickens in the enclosed house or the feedlot cattle but pasture raised animals. I know where we get our milk has a diverse variety of species of vegetation in their pastures and the pasture raised chickens are eating all kinds of bugs they would not get in chicken chow.
So, since I feed my dog and myself "pasture raised" protein we should be doing just fine....correct ?


SuperG
06-18-2014 10:27 AM
carmspack this year I hope to have some strawberries before the coyote gets to them. I even started a new bed close to the back door , and a new variety (for me) which is climbing, grown in a half whiskey barrel also close to the back door.

I also mineralize the soil with Jersey green sand , volcanic ash, kelp , alfalfa .


Elderberries -- gone , mulberries , gone, chomps in the melons (the dogs get the rest).

Mostly they would get this second hand .
06-18-2014 10:23 AM
carmspack "would fit the category of being raised on a "depleted diet". These carnivores of opportunity seem to be doing just fine..."

they are ?

YOU , the general you , are not doing fine .
Relying on good medicine is NOT the same as relying on good food.
For the first time in generations we will have a generation that will not outlive the parents' .
06-18-2014 10:20 AM
Wild Wolf I treat raw, when balanced to be similar to the way wolves and other canines eat unhindered by humans, to be nutritionally complete for canines. Fruit, vegetables, any supplement and any addition to the diet outside of meat, bone and organ (prey animal body parts) to be strictly supplemental. Wolves don't go around picking berries off plants, anything like that, they do it when the opportunity arises or when they're hungry and haven't had successful hunts. The myth of "wolves eat the stomach content of their prey so they need fruits and vegetables" drives me crazy, but only because I've spent hours watching wolves eating. I have never seen a wolf eat the stomach contents of any animal.... they take the stomach, tear it, shake the heck out of it to fling green stomach contents everywhere, then eat the stomach lining.

I digress...

I treat fruits, vegetables and supplements as additional nutrition on top of a balanced diet. I myself give my dogs probiotics every day, omega fatty acids (I alternate salmon oil, flax seed oil and wild fish), vitamin E, vitamin C, and I throw in various whole food supplements (feedsentials, nupro silver, solid gold seameal, holistic blend seagreens) on rotation whenever I think about it. Occasionally they get veggies, usually sweet potato, green beans, carrots, blueberries and pumpkin - but most of the time they just eat their meat and that's that.

Hope that helped!

Edit: I am another raw feeder to thinks feeding wild game is ideal. My husband's co-workers give us turkey, duck and rabbit for the dogs, and this year DH will be getting us some deer for ourselves and the dogs. As mentioned above, wild game/prey is not depleted in terms of nutrition like our farmed meat.
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