|06-22-2014 01:47 PM|
Take a look at this also:
I just got a rescued dog – what do I do? | stickydogblog
Forming a bond will make everything easier. Keep the cats safe.
A Great Small And Lightweight Nylon Mesh Muzzle
I used it on Rocky my GSD to deal with his "people issues" it never seemed to come into play, as far as I could tell?? But I have found out that using a muzzle can change a dogs mind set..."I can't bite/defend so I best not act like a fool??
Also going to say I am not a fan of "holding" cats in the presence of unstable/excited dogs! I did that with a feral and it did not work out to well for me! Cat bit through my finger nail, got infected! ICU and tons of IV's followed!
But yes you have two issues to work on forming a bond and the cats! Form the bond first and the rest "might" fall into place with little effort??
Or you could also go the E collar route with proper instruction! It would be a lot faster! Don't know how that works in the long run though??
In any case the "just got a rescue" or the leerburgh essay, I would see as the first step.
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E collar stuff I would start here again not saying do this but it is an option after the ground work is done on your relationship with the new guy and after two weeks..who knows may not be needed??:
Slow and steady keep everybody safe!
|06-22-2014 10:38 AM|
|LoveSea||And to add that the turning point was when Rocky started barking at our cat who rules the house & she gave him a long hard swipe across the nose & he backed off. She won!|
|06-22-2014 10:22 AM|
Our dog Rocky grew up for 8 years in a no cat household. We had 3 cats when we adopted him. When we had the home visit & wanted to see how he handles cats, we brought him leashed downstairs to where they were & he ferociously barked at them like he wanted to kill them!! We were like, "oh no!". But we figured we would give it a try.
It was hard at first because all the cats had to stay downstairs. It was about a month until they were able to be in the same room together without trouble. What we did was let them smell each other under the door. Another thing we did was hold each cat while he was leashed. We did little at a time. Don't overdo it. A few minutes at a time is best. It felt like we would never live in a house with our dog & cats roam freely without killing each other.
Another important thing that we did was make it fun when they were around each other. Put the other dogs away & just work with your new dog & cats. Get some chicken or other high value treats. Leash your dog & give them lots of the treat while they are all together. Make it fun when they are together, so the dog will think when I am with the cats good things happen. Again, it takes a lot of work, time & patience, but it will pay off. Like I said it seemed like they would never get along & look at my avatar photo to see that it can be done. Just be careful & not leave the new dog & cats alone until you are sure they will not get hurt.
|06-17-2014 02:50 PM|
Thanks wickedserphim and kiya. I am going to keep plugging away. I am going to try to start over at square one with Magnus. I have been reading over the leerburg site again and again. I am going to try to start over with this dog. I think he likes me, but it is pretty clear he does not respect me. So I am going to try to "establish the pack structure" where he is concerned. I didn't do this when we brought him into the house.
Our dog Max was 1 year old when he got him from the pound. He was a 2 time loser who was about to be euthanized. He has many issues, and there were many times I wanted to take him back. It was nothing short of moronic that we had him around our children. But to some degree that was his saving grace. As horrible as he was at times, he treated the children as if he gave birth to them. Always watching over them and very gentle. He did not feel the same about adults. We worked through many of his problems. I would say 90-95%. I wish I could say all of them- i simply can't.
Outside our house, he was a cat killer. I would not have thought so until I saw a stray cat enter our yard. I say that because my husband use to take him for runs off leash. Running was Max's job. He was not distracted by cats, squirrels, other dogs, people etc. He ran ahead when he was told he could. He turned, he stopped, did exactly as he was told with total focus. I thought he did not care about these things. Apparently when he is in his own yard he cares.
The first cat I brought into the house is named Jeep. He was part of a feral colony. Max had chased his mother up a tree. She managed to get away, but she left a kitten behind. When I found him, I decided to bring him in. It was gutsy and stupid. I felt like 'hey, you did this, Max. This cat's mom took off without it because of you. Now deal with the consequences.' He poked it with his nose and looked at me. I told him in a very stern voice, "that's mom's kitty." And that was the end of it.
Granted Max is 11 now. He does not get around like he use to. But if I think back to the one year old Max we brought home and compare him to 10 mos old Magnus, Max was a loaded gun. It is hard to understand how my devil dog understood the cat was off limits but the sweet dog does not. Maybe Magnus will never get it. I don't know. But I can't ignore that the sweet dog doesn't obey me. So I am going establish authority and once that is resolved I will go back to work on the cats. And if after I get done doing all I can do and we make no progress, I guess he will need to go to a cat free house.
It is good to know other people have had issues similar to mine. It gives me some hope that I can work it out. I love all of my animals. I just want them to have a happy existence. I will keep you posted. Thanks everyone for your input.
|06-17-2014 04:41 AM|
I have 5 Savannah cats and 2 Burmese cats. I had 2 GSD's living with all of them until recently until my 14 year old male GSD passed away.
My house is a mish mosh mash up of when everyone joined, so there have definitely been adjustment periods. Dogs getting used to each other, dog getting used to a cat, 2, 5, 7 cats. Savannah cat kicking dog bootay.. dog taking it, male Burmese cat falling in love with female GSD and practically pulling a Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction with this poor dog daily, literally chasing her from room to room to roll over her nose and fall over her head.
Like drops in the water bowl... these are the days of our lives...
We have 1 big girl Savannah that hates everyone, dog, cat, and person, except me. I have worked with some real doozies. My girl GSD came to me because she'd bit a child and was dumped in a shelter. I've had no issue with her. I don't put her in situations where that will ever happen again, but she's been work. I have another Savannah that was bought by someone and then basically abandoned in an attic for a year of his life, sick with a parasite that cause horrific diarrhea, and required chemo meds to treat. He didn't get treatment till I found him and got him out of the attic. He was a nightmare. He terrorized the other animals, dogs, cats, us too. Plain mean..more Serval than domestic cat. It took me over a year, but today, you wouldn't recognize him, physically or emotionally/mentally. He head-butts everyone, dogs and cats too for love, cuddles with everyone when sleeping and no longer fears the litter box (it held pain to use it).
To make it short, all of pets are purebred, but they didn't come from the hottest of situations and all but 4 have required rehabilitation and medical intervention. My newest girl.. the big Savannah F-2, I've had almost 2 years, I just stopped bleeding upon interacting with her 7 months ago. My husband and son, cannot even think about getting near her without hawk gloves on, and her claws do get through those. I can now pick her up for 5 minutes at a time, 3 times a day, and get licks on my cheek every time I walk into her room. It's slow, but it's progress.
Many people have told me to give up and put her down as being "too" Serval, and I just can't do it. I'm in it, and she won't be put down for simply being what she was bred to be, then not properly raised. I got her at 2 years of age, Savannahs mature at 3, so I hope I'm helping. I'll keep on keepin' on.
It sounds like you're doing everything you can humanely do, and then even doing more. Keep us updated, but for what it's worth, sometimes it takes alot longer, and then sometimes, it doesn't matter how much time you put in, it will never be enough. I hope it works, because that dog would be so lucky to have you.
|06-16-2014 11:37 AM|
I always had dogs/cats together. A few years ago we brought home a tiny kitten that one of my dogs seriously wanted to kill. It took me about 6 months to change her mind. It would be easier to send the dog back but if you want to make it work it will take a lot of effort.
|06-16-2014 09:59 AM|
Thank you everyone for your replies.
Chip18, I initially introduced the dog on the leash. When he acted so horribly I went to the internet looking for another way. I came across the leerburg article and we began putting him in the kennel and allowing the cats to come out. I sprayed him with a water bottle as suggested in the article. There were a couple of times he calmed down briefly. For the most part he wailed, barked, growled and just carried on. In the article he states this could take months. Perhaps I should have continued for months but I don't feel like I have months. I am very conflicted because if he doesn't change he will go back to the rescue. I feel like the longer I have him here, the harder it will be for him to go off to another home.
So after a couple of weeks without substantial progress I decided to put him on a leash and put a cat in one of the carriers. I had read several places that sometimes confining the dog made them more anxious. So I thought we would try something new. Once again he acted crazy. He desperately tried to attack the cat carrier. After maybe 20 minutes we were able to get him to walk past the cat carrier over and over without attacking it. I breathed a sigh of relief. I thought this was progress. But I no more than put the cat and the cat carriers away and let him off leash when he decided to hunt for the cat. Prior to this he was going to the doors. But when he jumped the baby gate and attacked the cat carrier, it really upset me. In my mind our little cat session was over. It ended quite well. It obviously was far from over for him.
llombardo suggested that I work on the leave it command. I started working with him on this last night. I will keep working on it until he gets it. I just don't know if this will override his desire to get the cats.
The cat carrier situation really has me bothered. I really thought he was getting it. I felt like it ended on a high note. Now I think I will never be able to turn my back because while he might act like he understands, the first chance he gets, he is going to go after those cats. Since that experience, we are back to the kennel cage. And he has tried to get to the cat carriers a few more times since then.
I am going to keep at it for now, but if he doesn't show some progress in the next couple of weeks or even month, I think I will have to take him back. I hate that because really he would be such a great dog if it weren't for the fact we have cats. I love my cats just as much as the dogs so no one gets the boot because Magnus can't fall in line.
gsdar & stevenzachsmom, you are probably right. This dog and his cat issue maybe more than I and my family can handle. Also, I have reservations about using hard corrections with this dog. He is really sweet (aside from hating cats) BUT I don't know that he has bonded with any of us. He really likes our dog Ruby but I don't feel like he is connected with us. I don't even know how to describe it, but the relationship we have with him is not like the other 2 dogs. Granted they have been here a lot longer, but as far as Max and Ruby are concerned they are more interested in the family than they are in each other. Magnus is more interested in the other 2 dogs than he is with us. I am afraid we will turn a sweet dog into a mean dog in order to get any compliance with the cats. I don't know if that makes sense, but that is my fear.
My last ditch effort maybe to have an animal behaviorist come to our house. Has anyone had any success with behaviorists?
Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciate it. This has been a roller coaster of emotions for me. I will keep plugging away and if it is not meant to be I am going to have to make peace with it.
|06-15-2014 10:59 PM|
|06-15-2014 08:40 PM|
Some dogs don't take kindly to "hard corrections" from leaders they don't respect!
|06-15-2014 08:16 PM|
My honest opinion is to return the dog to the rescue. This is very unsafe situation. I have done a lot if rescue/rehab work. And have reformed some dogs, to the cats, but none ever had the violent reactions it sounds like your dog is having.
I would never trust this dog with the cats.
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