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06-20-2014 10:56 PM
Germanshepherdlove
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Originally Posted by sourdough44 View Post
I've used an E collar over the years, somewhat sparingly and mostly with Labs. My Dogtra collar goes up to level 60, my niece willingly has done up to level 19 on herself. I used level 10, the few times I used it besides the 'vibration' feature.

I've seen those that don't like them, but have no qualms about using a switch. It's also key to train the dog on what is expected 1st, it's for when they choose not to obey a known command.

I also think the owner/dog bond is of utmost importance, not that training can't take place without it. I wouldn't use an e collar for nickel & dime training, just about only for the 'big stuff'.

Another option is to just buy your own 'Sport Dog' 425 collar, school up, and push ahead yourself with the training. You can check the local library or buy books and videos on training.

I do agree, some depends on the dog. One usually wants more than one or 2 choices in the toolbox.
I really don't want to go out and do it on my own, as I have no ecollar experience. He knows basically every command he needs to know in his life. Except for some agility stuff, which we haven't gotten very far into yet. I just can't get him to focus out in distractions.he can be reallygreat and he can be really great in distractions. But sometimes he can't even sit in our own yard. He just gets so distracted. He's big, so I can't hold him if he's dragging me to another dog or somewhere else.

I've been following the trainer we will be working with on fb and when I met him he seemed great. The dogs do not seem robotic at all. He is also very invested in his clients. He said his clients are clients for life. You basically pay a lump sum or make payments, and then you can do as many classes as you want for your dog's while life.

And yes, he uses the lowest stim that the dog can feel.
06-20-2014 01:24 PM
sourdough44
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Originally Posted by Germanshepherdlove View Post
So I've decided that we are going to do it just going to wait awhile because of money (or lack of...)

I've spoken with some of this trainer's clients and they have nothing but great things to say about him.
I've used an E collar over the years, somewhat sparingly and mostly with Labs. My Dogtra collar goes up to level 60, my niece willingly has done up to level 19 on herself. I used level 10, the few times I used it besides the 'vibration' feature.

I've seen those that don't like them, but have no qualms about using a switch. It's also key to train the dog on what is expected 1st, it's for when they choose not to obey a known command.

I also think the owner/dog bond is of utmost importance, not that training can't take place without it. I wouldn't use an e collar for nickel & dime training, just about only for the 'big stuff'.

Another option is to just buy your own 'Sport Dog' 425 collar, school up, and push ahead yourself with the training. You can check the local library or buy books and videos on training.

I do agree, some depends on the dog. One usually wants more than one or 2 choices in the toolbox.
06-17-2014 08:50 AM
JeanKBBMMMAAN http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...-training.html

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...means-sit.html

Old threads.
06-16-2014 11:12 PM
Germanshepherdlove So I've decided that we are going to do it just going to wait awhile because of money (or lack of...)

I've spoken with some of this trainer's clients and they have nothing but great things to say about him.
06-15-2014 11:54 AM
Deno I have never heard of SMS before this, but I do know there is better living with electricity.

There were nay sayers with the light bulb too.

There are savvy people who recognized all the many benefits of this tool and they capitalized on it.

This is great for people who have a problem dog and/or just feel like they have to be taught how to use it in other areas.

IMHO this tool is not a short cut to teaching the basics at any level, but I could be wrong.

But there is no doubt if your dog is trained, you can tweak/proof to near perfection with it.

There is nothing wrong with paying for an experts advice and experience if you feel the need.

I think a person who is capable and knowledgeable enough to train a dog in the first place can do well

with this tool without spending a lot of extra money & time. You also don't have to spend a lot of money

on the collar it's self. I paid $79.00 for my Pet Ed version and it has worked perfect for over 2 years.
06-14-2014 05:12 PM
Germanshepherdlove
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Originally Posted by gsdsar View Post
Personally, I wont train with anyone who has only one tool in their box. If the only way they can train a dog is with the ecollar, i would look elsewhere. I would look elsewhere if they only trained with positive, only trained with prong, or choke. I want a trainewr that customizes training to the individual dog. Its not one size fits all.
They don't really only train with an e collar, they also use toys, treats, and praise. Also they stress that if you haven't weaned off of the collar in 6 months, you aren't doing your homework.

I've gotten some emails from this particular trainers clients, they really love him and have seen huge improvements with their dogs. Including off leash reliability.
06-14-2014 01:01 AM
gsdsar Personally, I wont train with anyone who has only one tool in their box. If the only way they can train a dog is with the ecollar, i would look elsewhere. I would look elsewhere if they only trained with positive, only trained with prong, or choke. I want a trainewr that customizes training to the individual dog. Its not one size fits all.
06-14-2014 12:36 AM
Colie CVT I only know about the local franchise here in town. The man who runs it I met some time ago when my golden was a puppy and we had just discovered the Schutzhund clubs in town. The general feeling that I get from the community of dog trainers as a whole here is that he is not exactly a good trainer, and without the collar, the dog doesn't do what it does with it on. A friend of mine paid the 800 for the collar and classes. She said when it was on, and when they were training, her dog did perfect. But as soon as it was off, he didn't really care again.

The gist of what I got from the trainer I know is that the idea behind the collar is to use it like a clicker. Which makes me figure that they use the vibrating portion of that collar more than the shocking one. Again, that was what I got as an impression from the man that I know, so don't really count it as 100% fact.

Personally I wouldn't go with them. The money for the collar and the continued need for the collar don't seem worth the money, IMO. I have had to use the prong with my three current dogs at one point or another, but I have been able to wean them off the tool. That is what all these collars are. Tools. They should not be considered the begin all, end all of training. They are aids.

Only dog that I saw that he trained was a young GSD that a woman who really has no business in owning said GSD has. She was putting basket muzzles with socks in between around the puppy's face before she resorted to this. Everything I tried to tell her about training and living with a GSD was forgotten. I loved the look of her baby, even if I know the breeder wasn't a very good one in my region. Seeing her after the training, she looked depressed and almost forlorn. The dog also took up chasing and chewing on her tail, which states to me that the poor baby is understimulated.

So, end of the day, take it as you will, but my overall perception is not too highly of the franchise, and I have other trainers I personally know who I recommend to people around me.
06-13-2014 11:24 PM
Germanshepherdlove Thanks for the info. Just to add,I would never send one of my dogs away to be trained. I would be going to their training building, as well as doing training with the trainer out in public.
06-13-2014 07:42 PM
jafo220
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Originally Posted by My2shepherds View Post
In regards to the Sit Means Sit facility that was here locally.... I will not comment on their training techniques as I have never seen them... the facility itself was about a block from my work and I drove by it everyday twice sometimes more if I left for lunch. I was not impressed with the facility I saw, an old trailer dock warehouse with no shade or outdoor cooling area for the dogs I did see there and many times the same dogs were simply left outside to run on the concrete lot. The whole lot was fenced in however I felt bad for those pups out there in the direct sun and barking their heads off the whole time (which could be heard and seen from my work). Granted it may be just this particular location that seemed to be so reluctant about caring for them in the heat of the day (this was last summer which in Ohio was ridiculously hot!) I do not know but it definately left a bad taste in my mouth. The location has since shut down and I do not know if it was a relocation or not. None of this may be helpful in this decision process but I would want to hear the pros and cons of people's experiences before I placed my girls in their care...
This is a good post and something to think about.

We did our sessions in home. The other was too expensive and I didn't really want my dog out of site. I liked the in home training though.
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