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06-09-2014 12:18 PM
wolfstraum DM is neurological and the knuckling is the first test anyone does - horse or dog - to see if there are neuro deficits....the MRI is high priced overkill at this point with a 10 year old dog IMO

Carmen is the one on this board who is knowledgeable about the supplements....I also followed the protocals of Dr. Clemmons years ago with a DM dog....her progress was pretty slow, and I kept her going a long time with a sling to help her out to potty and walk...

Like others say - I would try for alternatives to boarding at a vets....very very stressful environment and the dogs do not get alot of attention while boarded, and they are exposed to every sickness that walks breathing in the door! Home visits 2 or 3 times a day would be better for her...there are bonded pet sitters in most decent sized cities...

She is 10 - she can go for a good while yet if managed carefully...the stem cell and swimming are definitely a good step towards managing this...it won't get better...but it can be slowed down...

Good Luck...and keep us posted

Lee
06-09-2014 12:13 PM
huntergreen years ago a vet could spot dm just by looking and exam to rule out other things. i wouldn't go crazy with tests.
06-09-2014 12:06 PM
kbella999 I thought my dog had DM. She had all the symptoms but turns out she just has horrible hips. Did your vet do x-rays? I wouldn't spend the $2500 either. There is a test for abou $65 you can do to see if it is DM. Orthopedic Foundation for Animals
06-09-2014 09:32 AM
Magwart Here's Dr. Clemmons' list of recommended supplements. He's got recommended doses for dogs with DM, and healthy dogs.

Degenerative Myelopathy of German Shepherds

ETA: Since knuckling-under can be so many other things, I think I'd ask for some radiographs of the spine and hips, and perhaps do several acupuncture sessions over a couple of weeks. Acupuncture isn't inexpensive, but you'll know right away if it helps. To me, it would be worth the experiment--when it helps dogs with nerve or spinal issues, it can be dramatic. If it's spinal pain or a nerve issue, you may well see improvement after a single session (though it won't necessarily last long after just one session).
06-09-2014 09:03 AM
carmspack I would include chlorella, spirulina, garlic, parsley, MSM , NAC , sulfur providing ingredients . Antioxidants, high levels natural vitamin C . B 12 . Selenium - . Magnesium from FOOD sources . Fish oil high in the DHA portion .


Also - often overlooked , make sure your dog's nails are trimmed properly . Long nails affect posture. An older dog with decline in muscle tone will experience a greater response .
06-09-2014 07:55 AM
I_LOVE_MY_MIKKO Dr. Clemmons at UF developed an antioxidant supplement for DM. He put my dog on it for Wobblers. You need a rx, but can buy it from West Lab pharmacy here in Gainesville, Fl, and they'll ship it.

Does she have anything else wrong besides the dragging? Lumbosacral problems are also common in the GSD.

Sorry you're going through this.
06-09-2014 06:40 AM
jocoyn If this dog has never been boarded, is there anyway you can have someone live in your house and care for her while you are gone?! Someone who can also take the time to help her in and out? The stress and slick concrete surfaces may not be what is best for her right now.

Did the vet send in a test to University of Missouri for the DM gene? It is not that expensive. We went through some neurologic issues on a 9 year old and wound up with a different diagnosis, probably an extruded disc........but did not do the myelogram and MRI they offered but said, really? I was not going to do a very risky back surgery so we opted for conservative management. There are so many things that can cause these symptoms.

DM is very gradual in onset. They can have a spinal stroke (one sided/sudden onset), a disk injury, any number of things. Acupuncture and cold laser helped us and restored function over a period of about 6 months.
06-08-2014 11:26 PM
carmspack whether the dog has DM or not , the nutritional additions to diet that I mentioned will benefit the dog regardless.
06-08-2014 11:17 PM
carmspack agreed , I wouldn't spend $2,500 for an MRI . This is a 10 year old dog, with a non-cure condition . So I would do everything in my might though to mitigate the situation , slow the decline as much as possible and give ex life extension with as much quality as possible.

give "good" source of protein , antioxidant , anti inflammatory , sources of choline , B12 , Foods That Improve Myelination | LIVESTRONG.COM bone broth, anything to help build collagen , selenium/magnesium .

Wobbler's which is associated with Doberman and Great Danes and GSD , is something which a friend of mine is experiencing with her young Dane . This is something I found for her New hope for treating wobblers syndrome

have no idea if it works but this video clip is very interesting.

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essential fatty acids -- high omega 3 - helps with brain and nerve development and an oil (fish) that has a good dose of DHA which will help with myelination for nerve impulse MAY BE one of the ways to affect a preventive course against DM .
06-08-2014 11:04 PM
Coleb13 Thanks for responding. Some positive things that you told me is that my dog has been getting stem cell once a year and still has cells left for her front elbow. Also I have a pool so that helps. Thank you again.
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