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06-09-2014 05:13 AM
belladonnalily Thanks all. We will leave the toys alone for now...makes perfect sense. The reason I went ahead and introduce him to my other dog was because of my concern about them getting along. Tucker is 14 months and both dogs are intact. I felt like the sooner the better. But we will put a hold on playtime until we make more progress.

Trainer will help, but he's an hour away. With the new business, the next month or 2 might be tough to get down there regularly.
06-08-2014 11:51 PM
davejk I wouldn’t let the new pup roughhouse with the other dog like that before he learns to work for you. Now that you got difficulties already you don’t need to add more like a pup that gets wound up every time he hears another dog.

It is always a steep learning curve with a green dog if they don’t have any training on them. Is your trainer willing to help with this or are you on your own?

Good idea to clean up those leash walking manners right away so that you can start taking him places as he never been outside of his kennel.
06-08-2014 11:11 PM
Steve Strom I don't think I'd start trying to teach him to out just yet, or even play tug. 4 days, he really hasn't settled in yet. I would just kinda hang out and get to know him, see how he handles his new home and surroundings. Light ob with some food, but no games where you're competing with him right now. Give it some more time.
06-08-2014 10:47 PM
belladonnalily I've only had him 4 days. I've really only been seeing what he did know, which is not much, and working on letting him get used to me. I suspect any Out is going to be tricky with him because he doesn't seem to have any concept of what he's supposed to be doing with me. And he gets wound up easily. He does seem to trust me, for lack of a better term, but I suppose that's because he has no other options at this point. Any "training" has been as if he was a young puppy, using food (since toys are a bit of a problem right now) rewards simply for looking to me, sitting, coming back to me, etc.

I will work on Out this week...I guess I just wasn't really sure what order I should be introducing these things to a dog his age. I was used to working with Tucker fresh out of his crate, but today I did let Tucker and him play and romp first to attempt to wind him down some. It accomplished nothing of the sort

As far as exercise, he's getting free time in a play yard several hours a day (including rough play with his new brother), plus 4 short training sessions (about 20 minutes or so). We also took a 30 hike around the farm. I'd intended to go much longer but his manners are so bad it became miserable. Once I can get him playing with toys the right way, I'll spend more time training with those to help get more energy out but I need to get a few basics under his belt first. Yesterday I kept him on a long line and just wound him back in with the ball but it still took alot to get him to release it.

I didn't think I would be so lost, since training Tucker has gone really well for the most part. But I'm second-guessing everything. Should I go ahead and take him out to socialize him (NOT to actually meet people, just to see people, sights, etc.)? He's small so handling him isn't a problem, but I can see him being quite a brat in public. I know many Schutzhund people don't place alot of importance on these things, but my dogs are first and foremost my companions.

On a good note, it is fun to work with a dog who is so "on" all of the time. As Tucker has gotten closer to being a real adult dog, and not having been worked as much (he cut his paw earlier in the spring and we spend 6 weeks getting him healed), he has gotten a little less responsive. I thought I'd learned to be quick with Tucker (I have the scars to bear witness to my mistakes), but this new one is so much faster. He nailed me today playing tug so lesson learned.

He has been staying at my kennel as he is nowhere near ready to be introduced into my home with my geriatric dog and 2 cats. He is great with Tucker, however. We will be moving into the house on the farm where my kennel is shortly and then I will start acclimating him to house-living if all goes well.
06-08-2014 10:15 PM
HarleyTheGSD How much exercise is he getting?
No energy release can add to his intensity.
Have you worked on "out"?
06-08-2014 09:13 PM
Just got a 2nd GSD...9mo intense pup...

Just got a new pup unexpectedly. Planned on getting another next year but the opportunity to have a really nice pup came and I jumped in head first. He is what I said I wanted for my 2nd GSD, but now that I have him I'm wondering what I've gotten myself into. Ive always raised my dogs from young pups, but this one is 9mo old already.

My first pup, Tucker, I got at 8 weeks old and although he has some drive, is worlds away from this intense pup.

This boy has had very little training. He was bred and raised in a Schutzhund trainer's kennel. He has no manners at all. Fortunately, he is half the size of Tucker...I couldn't handle him if he were Tuck's size.

He jumps. ALL of the time. He knows sit, but that's it. And has the attention span of a gnat. I don't think he's ever seen a toy, because he has no plans of returning it to you EVER.

So, having raised one from 8 weeks and being able to gradually work on these things, I'm a little worried about how to get some basics down before he matures and they become "issues." I have to get it right or get out, so to speak.

My trainer kept him for a week for me before I brought him home, and he did think we'd have to see if he might be too much dog for me. He worked him a little and police/military work was a thought after that.

So, we're keeping that in mind.

Right now we are just working on a long line to master staying close to me, getting a reliable "Here" & "Sit" and not jumping.

Advice on how to proceed? This is a different training process for me as I had the basics down with Tuck when he was still very young. This pup has never been in a home and likely had never left the kennel he was born in until my trainer picked him up a few states away. Of course I'll be training with him soon, but because I just bought a dog boarding business and am in the process of reopening it, I need to stay close to that for the next few weeks. But that will give me more time to spend with him.

Note: He does seem very sweet and friendly. And brave. Really brave. With a very "intense" eye when he locks onto something. Playing tug has turned into survival of the fittest!

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