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07-10-2015 04:29 PM
W1nNTus3R DaniFani, you are absolutely correct. Hence why I said he/she must work the dog. The dog will be the determining factor, the pedigree of the parents are justification for breeding and producing he/she's dog. The problem that ultimately determines the dog worthy of passing on traits is obtain the titles. Conformation is EXTREMELY important to meet the standard appearance, height, weight, temperament guidelines, THE BASICS to the breed. Shutzhund determines protection, obedience, and workability. Agility determines extreme performance. Again, each have their own values, as well as their own merits.

I have seen top rated Shutzhund titled animals produce garbage offspring. Again paperwork is just that paperwork of what the PARENTS did. The real determining factor is the dog itself. Work him, work with him, and most of all have fun doing it.
07-10-2015 12:59 AM
DaniFani
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Sdavi116 first and foremost opinions here are just that opinions. Today's dogs need to be tested by their owners. Everyone and their uncle on here can say this and that. What speaks is what the dog can preform and complete.

Now that being said your dog is, by view, a great looking GSD. To get the real opinion that matters get one by an unbiased C.K.C. or A.K.C judge and put him through conformation. It's not up to the breeder to do this its up to you and your dog. It's an investment.

Who am I ... I am CH Summerview's Wylde River Eden's owner. River got his championships both American and Canadian by 13 months old. Yes after 3 months of showing ... Summerview also has another champion Summerview's Bary. They weren't on the web site for a reason. The breeders didn't want the public, but clients only to know. FYI River got his CHAMPIONSHIP in CANADA in 1996. Summerview has also other titled dogs again, Rita and Jim prefer to keep it to the owners. I have changed that on their website.

Also, I designed the original as well as the newly updated website for Summerview. I was out of touch with Rita and Jim till now. If you wish for more information about conformation or Schutzhund let me know. BTW River also was Schutzhund trained ... My point is paperwork is OK ... but its just that paperwork. Why I say this, is this you can have every TITLE and piece of paper certifying this and that, but let your dog out and Lyme, lepto, or any of 100's of things can possibly go wrong. It doesn't mean anything until you invest in you and your dog, that's when you know if you have a dog worthy of breeding. It's not on the breeder to work the dog, its up to you ... As for trust, Summerview produces bar NONE the best tempered dogs I have come across in 25 years and I have owned 11 GSD's.

Again its your dog himself that will prove worthy. You have to invest and work with him, that's how you find out. Your Summerview is a good dog, to make him great take the time to work him.
What dogs have schh titles and which titles? And yeah...
most breeders DON'T want the public to know about the accomplishments of their breeding dogs..

Also, owning 11 dogs is not the same as gaining a wide knowledge (imo) of breeding, genetics,temperaments, drives, nerve, workability, etc. Via working, training, and titling, dogs. I don't particularly like show lines that only do conformation shows and nothing to really test the temperament. Not just how's the dog in the home and on walks or how smart it is to learn parlor tricks. But really testing the dog, putting legitimate pressure on it it, etc...it is a working breed after all. Shouldn't it be able to work, not "just" be a great dog....if it's going to be bred I mean.
07-09-2015 06:10 PM
W1nNTus3R Opps sorry wrong date posted ... not 1996 but 2006.

As for submitting a STACKED picture lol ... I have puppy pics of 8 week old puppy Razin "STACKED" ... you need the opinion in person. The best to do these are C.K.C. and A.K.C. judges.
07-09-2015 05:51 PM
W1nNTus3R Sdavi116 first and foremost opinions here are just that opinions. Today's dogs need to be tested by their owners. Everyone and their uncle on here can say this and that. What speaks is what the dog can preform and complete.

Now that being said your dog is, by view, a great looking GSD. To get the real opinion that matters get one by an unbiased C.K.C. or A.K.C judge and put him through conformation. It's not up to the breeder to do this its up to you and your dog. It's an investment.

Who am I ... I am CH Summerview's Wylde River Eden's owner. River got his championships both American and Canadian by 13 months old. Yes after 3 months of showing ... Summerview also has another champion Summerview's Bary. They weren't on the web site for a reason. The breeders didn't want the public, but clients only to know. FYI River got his CHAMPIONSHIP in CANADA in 1996. Summerview has also other titled dogs again, Rita and Jim prefer to keep it to the owners. I have changed that on their website.

Also, I designed the original as well as the newly updated website for Summerview. I was out of touch with Rita and Jim till now. If you wish for more information about conformation or Schutzhund let me know. BTW River also was Schutzhund trained ... My point is paperwork is OK ... but its just that paperwork. Why I say this, is this you can have every TITLE and piece of paper certifying this and that, but let your dog out and Lyme, lepto, or any of 100's of things can possibly go wrong. It doesn't mean anything until you invest in you and your dog, that's when you know if you have a dog worthy of breeding. It's not on the breeder to work the dog, its up to you ... As for trust, Summerview produces bar NONE the best tempered dogs I have come across in 25 years and I have owned 11 GSD's.

Again its your dog himself that will prove worthy. You have to invest and work with him, that's how you find out. Your Summerview is a good dog, to make him great take the time to work him.
06-07-2014 09:46 PM
ShenzisMom A former neighbor of mine had two dogs from this breeder. While they were beautiful and intelligent like your boy, I wouldn't call them reputable or breed worthy... just my own opinion/experience.
06-07-2014 09:32 PM
Liesje I moved this thread to the Pictures forum. If you want a critique, please share a stacked photo. It's difficult (or unfair) to critique a dog that is not setup in a way that is useful for critiquing.

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...e-posting.html
06-07-2014 08:38 PM
Wild Wolf If you want to get a legitimate critique of your dog, you need a good stacked photo and ideally a clear head shot.

Check this article out to see how the German Shepherd is stacked for proper evaluation:
The GSD Stack - German Shepherd Guide
06-07-2014 08:08 PM
my boy diesel cute pet quality dog
not good breeding quality lines imo but good pet lines i am sure
when breeding any breed you need to choose examples that exemplify what that breed is supposed to be and as others said a 100+ oversized example is not a good breed representative for this particular breed
06-07-2014 06:26 PM
Sdavi116 I was sent a copy of the OFA certificates of both parents in the mail. The main issue I have with the breeder is how she hasn't updated the site.
06-07-2014 06:23 PM
Sdavi116 When I get my next Shepherd, is there a breeder that you would recommend?
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