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06-15-2014 11:06 PM
Bob_McBob It seems pretty clear the dog shouldn't have been marching in the parade, but the facts of the incident are still very unclear. How much does it really take to kill a 3.5 pound geriatric toy poodle? A minor grab and shake without breaking the skin could easily be fatal. Was it dog aggression, or was it simply instinctive prey drive because a little critter ran past? Was the poodle in the crowd or was it on an extended flexi like every single dog I ever see this size, and running around in the street?

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I don't blame the poodle people at all. I blame the individual who had the legal responsibility for the dog. The person that decided to have this dog go to the parade in the hands of a volunteer. And now, well, the dog probably will be put down. Preventable, yes. This simply should have never happened.
Agreed...
06-15-2014 10:42 PM
selzer So far, I have only heard dog aggression with this particular dog. I don't think dogs should be put down for dog aggression, even if they kill a tiny dog, and especially when they are thrust into a chaotic situation, with a volunteer holding the leash.

Some volunteers may be awesome dog-people, but they do not live with the dog. There is no way for them to know the dog so well that they should be turned loose in a parade with the dog. I am actually sick about this dog, and what people did to it.

I don't blame the poodle people at all. I blame the individual who had the legal responsibility for the dog. The person that decided to have this dog go to the parade in the hands of a volunteer. And now, well, the dog probably will be put down. Preventable, yes. This simply should have never happened.
06-14-2014 12:56 PM
Blanketback I agree that "resources may be scarce" and I wonder if I can consider IQ a 'resource' lol. Like when parents adopt a dog know to be aggressive with children. I mean, what in the heck are they thinking? It's beyond me, that's for sure. Not every dog can be saved, if every dog has to be placed in the identical home environment. But they can be tailored to fit, if the adopter is honest about what they're willing to do for the dog. And that doesn't include wishful thinking, lol.
06-14-2014 12:33 PM
Shepnut
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The responsible position, IMO, would be to understand that some dogs are going to need careful management and the person taking on the responsibility has to be critical enough to understand exactly what that means. I don't understand why people adopt dogs with problem behaviors, and then proceed to throw the dog into situations where - duh! - crap happens.

It's not fair to the dogs to say that they should be PTS because they end up in the wrong hands. It's also not fair to the general public to take on a problem dog and then treat it like the best-behaved, most docile dog going. Why are people so stupid?!?
I agree with you, blanket back. My statement was not passing judgement on this particular "gsd". I will add that "careful management" requires resources. Resources may be scarce. Then comes pragmatism...
06-14-2014 12:08 PM
Blanketback
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Not all dogs can nor should be saved-now that is the responsible (but tough) position!
The responsible position, IMO, would be to understand that some dogs are going to need careful management and the person taking on the responsibility has to be critical enough to understand exactly what that means. I don't understand why people adopt dogs with problem behaviors, and then proceed to throw the dog into situations where - duh! - crap happens.

It's not fair to the dogs to say that they should be PTS because they end up in the wrong hands. It's also not fair to the general public to take on a problem dog and then treat it like the best-behaved, most docile dog going. Why are people so stupid?!?
06-14-2014 11:50 AM
Shepnut First off, was this really a GSD? It is amazing how often dogs in rescues are misidentified. I tend to believe GSDs are better served in rescues that are devoted to gsds nonetheless.

This is a tragic event that was 100% avoidable. Not all dogs can nor should be saved-now that is the responsible (but tough) position! The more we drift from our agricultural roots, the murkier pragmatism becomes.
06-12-2014 11:36 PM
selzer I wonder too how much in front of its handler-volunteer the GSD was when it attacked.

Stuff does happen fast. My trainers usually have very large dogs, 130 - 160 pounds, but recently they acquired a small dog. In their classes there are a couple of Lakeland Terriers, that have been a total nuisance. Well, the trainer took his small dog past the dog and I saw it happening and couldn't spout out a warning quick enough, the darn thing jumped in and bit his dog on the back.

I am talking about people (the owners of the small dog) that are very dog savy, constantly showing their dogs, training, judging, etc. If their dog was 3.5 pounds it might have been dead too. If the Lakeland terrier was a GSD it may have been dead.

We cannot excuse the owners of dogs that are unsafe. The owners of these terriers have prongs and e-collars on them, they are the only dogs in classes that have ever bitten one of my dogs, so they know about the issues. The dogs need to be muzzled when in public.

The thing is, if we let those responsible for the GSDs here, off the hook, then we can see stupid legislation that HAS passed in some places where dogs (like pit bulls) must be muzzled in public. Doesn't matter if the dog has a history or not. If it is a certain breed, it must be muzzled.

Taking a dog where they KNEW there would be lots of people and dogs and crazyness, and not managing to manage the dog that they KNEW had issues is simply disgusting. And blaming the small dog owners for the attack is just like people with dogs that bite children blaming the children. If we do not want to have dogs banned from every last thing, or be forced to employ muzzles on every dog over 40 pounds, then we need to get on people that make the news from being irresponsible with the dogs in their charge and stop making up excuses for them.
06-12-2014 08:43 AM
Liesje My GSDs represent my husband's elementary school in parades every summer. There are typically 1-2 other dogs besides mine that are in our group. I am ALWAYS wary of the dogs on the sidelines. Most if not all of them shouldn't really be there; they all bark and react or try to jump out into the street. Now I wouldn't bring a dog to be in a parade if he reacted back, even if it was the other dog starting it. I have control over my dogs and they ignore this sort of thing. I am just careful to keep them towards the center of the road if I see a yapping dog zipping around on a flexi lead. We've never had an incident, my dogs are always invited back.
06-12-2014 05:22 AM
volcano I dont own a dog as fragile as a toy poodle. But as a first time dog owner im smart enough to not let my dog approach strange dogs. And apache is nice, im only looking out for her when she meets a dog.
06-12-2014 03:51 AM
A girl and her dog I still think the poodle owner should have been more diligent. People don't pay attention, something goes wrong, they look for someone to blame.

No, the GSD should not have been in that parade! Much less so close to the sidelines.

FWIW, if I pick up my little dog or move out of the way of a big dog, it's to keep him from trying to get bossy. He easily sends the wrong signals and could end up in a fight. There is one dog on our street that is terrible. The owners do not control it other than having it I. A leash. The dog barks at people and other dogs and drags the owners around. I usually stop and have my guys sit whole they struggle past us.

Look at it like this, those with lite dogs that grab them up with a huff and run off are probably the same ones whose dogs feet rarely touch the ground, get spoken to like a disabled infant most of their lives and give 'mommy' something to obsess over. An accessory - emotional baggage. Screw em.

I feel bad for Toby and his family. They're just the average pet owner and probably don't think past their own dog. Probably never had a reason to.
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