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05-31-2014 03:00 PM
Alena Gonzalez It's more a location thing. The local breeder will let me see the pups next weekend at 5 weeks. The other breeder is states away and won't tell me if there is even a temperament match until the pup is 7 weeks. If the socialization before eight weeks is not an issue then I plan on going with my gut instinct after I meet the pups and the breeder next weekend :-)


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05-31-2014 02:48 PM
Steve Strom Oh, sorry. I was so slow replying, I didn't see your second post.
05-31-2014 02:23 PM
Alena Gonzalez That's what I'm trying to do. Actually I told him I already had a trainer and he was completely fine with that. I've message to people that I think may know something about him but they have not returned my messages


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05-31-2014 01:11 PM
Steve Strom I think with buying puppies Alena, a lot of what you are paying for is the experience of the breeder and do you trust them. Whether they do the whole Volhard thing at 7wks or just observe the litter in different surroundings, do you trust what they're telling you?

Have you at least seen both sets of dogs to get an idea of their temperaments? I'm not sure if I'm reading what you mean correctly, but if the one breeder won't let you at least see the litter ahead of time, and I understand protecting the pups from parvo, etc. I would write that one off.
05-31-2014 01:10 PM
selzer
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Thanks guys. The guy here locally is a smaller business I cant find any bad info on him but no good info either. I'm going more by the fact that I have been able to have a lot of communication with him also I will be visiting his property and seeing the mom dad and puppys before hand. I have a pretty good sense of discernment so if I feel weird about it I will run. The one that's far away has a much better web site, not as good about communication but came highly recommended from a local trainer. When I asked that same trainer about the local guy, again he could not say anything negative just nothing positive either. Just neutral??


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The only thing two trainers can agree upon is what the third trainer is doing wrong.

With someone far away, your trainer can say loads of good stuff about them, without losing a customer. The one that is near is a little trickier. Saying good stuff and you buying a dog from him, might eventually have you over there doing training. But saying bad stuff will look self-serving. It will appear to be competition. So the trainer is saying nothing. Nothing good, nothing bad. It might be better to try and find out information on him from a different source.
05-31-2014 12:49 PM
Alena Gonzalez
How much does socialization and outside time matter before 8 weeks??

Thanks guys. The guy here locally is a smaller business I cant find any bad info on him but no good info either. I'm going more by the fact that I have been able to have a lot of communication with him also I will be visiting his property and seeing the mom dad and puppys before hand. I have a pretty good sense of discernment so if I feel weird about it I will run. The one that's far away has a much better web site, not as good about communication but came highly recommended from a local trainer. When I asked that same trainer about the local guy, again he could not say anything negative just nothing positive either. Just neutral??


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05-31-2014 11:46 AM
Cassidy's Mom Do both breeders have websites that you can link to?

Personally, I'd at least like to see some socialization to people prior to going home at 8 weeks old. Most breeders won't allow people to visit when the puppies are really young and at the most risk, but at a certain point they will allow people to come meet the puppies. I also don't see any reason why the pups would need to stay in the kennel all the time when he's got all that property to explore. That seems odd to me.

Temperament testing isn't 100%, but it can give you an idea of which puppies would be most suited for what kinds of homes. Just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it should be totally dismissed. Spending time with the puppies from the time they're born will also tell the breeder a lot about each puppy's personality.

I've shipped a puppy across the country, and we're very happy with her. Halo came from Connecticut, and we live in the San Francisco Bay Area. But the breeder was a member of the board at the time, several people I knew online had puppies from her, and some of my long time forum friends knew her and trained with her. They'd actually met Halo at training and thought she'd be perfect for us, and encouraged us to contact the breeder about her. It might have been different if it was a breeder I didn't know much about, who hadn't come highly recommended by people I knew and trusted. How much do you know about the long distance breeder?
05-31-2014 11:30 AM
selzer Litters born in December may not go outside at all in their first 8 weeks. Too cold. And if they do go outside, they will not be on grass but on snow. At least, up here they will be. Somehow pups from these litters manage ok.

For the first couple of weeks, eyes and ears aren't open, or are not yet able to see well enough yet, and it really doesn't matter. They wriggle to mom and eat and poop. From 3-8 weeks, they can walk and see and play with their littermates. They learn a lot from their littermates, and they become accustomed to typical sights and sounds. If they spend a lot of time inside, they are unlikely to be weirded out by common inside noises, like the television, radio, washer, toilet, etc.

There are a lot of differences puppies have to manage when they go from the breeder's situation to their new owner's situation. Different voices, different hands, different smells, and the lack of their littermates and dam are the big ones. But they also may have to learn to navigate stairs, to wait to go potty, to be in a crate, a new yard, etc.

I really don't think a dog with decent nerves will be unable to cope with the sights and sounds inside a home if you bring it home and inside right at eight weeks old.

My pups never set food on carpet. I have carpet in my living room, but I carry them outside (usually as a group), and their inside area is not carpeted. I am sure puppies and the pups that I keep have had no trouble whatsoever adjusting to carpet after 8 weeks without ever experiencing it.

If you trust both breeders, go with the one that makes the best sense, and do not worry about it. If someone is doing a LOT of specific socialization with their pups, it can be the total opposite, those dogs might NEED that where the other dogs might have overall stronger nerves and not need all that extra socialization.

In the end, the dog is what it is genetically. The dam imprints the puppy. Early socialization experiences can give a pup a leg up to reach the potential that his genetics allow. But a dog with good character will be fine even if it is raised in a kennel atmosphere.
05-31-2014 10:39 AM
Alena Gonzalez
How much does socialization and outside time matter before 8 weeks??

Getting a GSD within the next few weeks/month. I'm torn between 2 breeders!! One of the pups is here locally(outside Houston) he's a dog trainer and has been for upwards of 20 some years his sport is schutzhund. He breeds a few of his dogs and only has a couple litters a year. I've yet to find anything negative about the guy. He's very helpful when I talk to him and doesn't seem to just tell me what I want to hear ,like I feel other breeders have done. However his pups are staying in one of the kennels on his property. They were born in a whelping box he has in one of his attached garages that he converted for the purpose. Attachment 213306 He has 4 kennels at his 2.5 acre home. He has more training kennels on another property not far from him. My question is that there is a chance that when I get the dogs at 8 weeks she may not have spent anytime in the grass or with other people aside from him. His reasoning is for protection of the pup which really may be no big deal since she is so young. The Other breeder is a lot more intense about her pups. Even though Ive put money down she can't guarantee me a pup because she does temperament testing. Many people think this is a joke because at 7-8 weeks the pup is going to change so much! She does however spend time with her pups outside some. Both breeders have health guarantees on hips/elbows have done x-rays on parents and all that. I guess my question is does it matter that the one dog will have not explored at all aside from her litter mates and momma and of course the breeder?? I'm going to see the local pup next weekend. The one that is across the country would be picked for me according to what I'm looking for in temperament. I hate the idea of shipping a pup but I know people do it. HELP!! There are 2 girls in the litter here that I would get to pick from. They are all pretty much either black/tan or sable and all come from lines of working dogs. Prices in both are 1500..(price isn't as big of an issue as quality is)
Thanks! The pic is one of the local girls at 4 weeks


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