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06-07-2014 02:42 PM
OklahomaGSDonTheRez Wow, you guys have me even more excited for my future with horses! I cannot wait until I can experience that bond and trust with a horse! Great answers!
06-06-2014 11:50 PM
gsdsar It is good question!!!

Horses and dogs are very different, but when a true partnership is formed they are both amazing.

Horses are prey animals, they are more "flight" than "fight". So when you work a horse, it's all about building trust and respect. You need the horse to believe that you can will protect them. Flighty horses, spooky horses, it is all about teaching the horse to trust your leadership. But it can he hard to overcome a horse that is scared of the world.

With dogs, they have a more natural curiosity. A good dog will move toward something unknown. A horse will naturally move away.

They both need good calm leadership. It's easy to become " the tiger on the horses back" and I guess the same is true with dogs. But it comes from a different place, so different methods must be used.

I had a friend years ago that did horseback SAR. She was working on teaching her horse to move towards an unknown scent. Not easy. Horses want to move away.

But both need to trust, respect and BELIEVE, in their "owner".


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06-06-2014 11:33 PM
Susan_GSD_mom
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How would you describe the bond between horse and human and how would you compare it to the bond you have with your GSD?
Wow--great question. I had to think about it for a while

For me, the relationship with horses was more on a working, partnership level. It's largely based on trust, and affection is involved, and with a horse you train and work with for a number of years, it's as though horse and rider move to the thoughts of one mind.

I have never had the privilege of working with dogs at an actual job, but many on this forum have. My dogs have been companion animals, so I can't say I have ever experienced a relationship on that level with a dog as I have with horses. But with their superior intelligence, dogs become more attached to us on a personal level, they live with us in our homes and share more activities with us and spend more time with us.

I appreciate GSDs for their intelligence, and I am the same way about horses. In my experience the Arabian horse is the most intelligent, and the horse that you can draw closest to, approaching the type of relationship you have with a dog. It's no wonder, because the Bedouin Arabian tribes brought them into their tents, they were an integral part of their lives for thousands of years. When one tribe raided another and took their mares, the tribe who lost the horses would send an emissary with the pedigrees for those mares, so that the breed would remain pure. This close relationship with humans over thousands of years means the good temperament is bred into them.

I don't think I have done a very good job explaining. The relationship with a good horse is great, as is the relationship with a good dog, but they are different.

Sorry I can't explain it better!

Susan
06-06-2014 03:58 PM
OklahomaGSDonTheRez
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LOL-----"YET" is the key word. I have had them 'talk back'
Again, I trained horses professionally, but not dogs, my dog training comes from personal experience--there are others here who can give you more specific advice.

Susan
So he "talked back" to me for the first time yesterday. I guess I opened my mouth too early! lol He also pooped in the house for the first time yesterday. I did not find it until about 5 minutes later. I just showed him verbally and non verbally that I was not happy with him and he definitely got the messege and tuckered up! I put his poop outside and put him outside for a little while. Hopefully I did the right thing, he acted like he got the messege through his body language. Also, I am in admiration of you training horses! lol I lived with a person who had horses when I was young for a short time and have longed to have horses of my own someday! A family friend of mine was married to a man in Jay, Oklahoma that raised prized paint horses(or at least thats what I think they call them). He was in countless magazines and had all kinds of awards for his horses along with celebrity appearances that he made! Her husband(now passed) sparked my interest. How would you describe the bond between horse and human and how would you compare it to the bond you have with your GSD?
06-05-2014 08:00 PM
Susan_GSD_mom
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At least my GSD hasn't talked back to me....yet.
LOL-----"YET" is the key word. I have had them 'talk back' (and there's no doubt in your mind that's what's happening, lol), throw tantrums, the whole bit. Dealing with such things is sometimes an instinctual thing--not every correction works with every dog, not every training method works with every dog, but however you deal with such things has to be fair, just, consistent, and make sure it suits the level of infraction. AND, make sure they know what they are supposed to be doing (or NOT doing) before you correct. Train first, over and over again, until you're absolutely certain that he knows what you want, BEFORE you ever correct.

Apsel is pretty much right--the quality of training and time spent with the dog may shorten the 'landshark' phase. However, GSDs don't normally mature until they are 18-24 months old, so unless you have a really mellow dog, you will probably experience even a diminished level of brat behavior until nearly that age.

Again, I trained horses professionally, but not dogs, my dog training comes from personal experience--there are others here who can give you more specific advice.

Susan
06-04-2014 03:45 PM
ApselBear The more you work with them, the faster it'll pass(I hope).
06-04-2014 02:06 PM
OklahomaGSDonTheRez
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In case no one has warned you yet, you will go through the terrible adolescent years, when they turn into "landsharks," similar to human adolescents, when they absolutely want to do everything their way and don't want to listen to you. Just remember, don't give up! There is a wealth of information on this forum that deals with the landshark phase, and lots of people who have gone through it successfully, and when he comes out of that phase, you will have the best dog you have ever owned (or who owns you, lol). Your trainer said it starts around 18 months, but for some dogs, it's not until they are closer to 2 years, that's when everything clicks into gear. Then you will find that it's all definitely been worth it, and you have your 'heart dog.' I have had GSDs for 50 years, and for me, every one has been a GREAT dog, although I do have memories of 2 or 3 who have been exceptional heart and soul dogs. Look forward to it!

Susan
Good to hear from you Susan! Thats pretty much what I expected. I feel that too many people want puppies to act like adults and get frustrated too easily! Luckily I have children so I have had large amounts of practice in the area! At least my GSD hasn't talked back to me....yet. To me it is like the "terrible twos" in children and when my children were in that stage yes it was a struggle, but i think we both know that it is a struggle that we grow to love! lol That is amazing that you have had them for that long! This is my first GSD out of many other dogs and I have always been a dog lover but the GSD won my heart from day one! Some say that people get dogs that look like them or that have similar traits to them, I dont know how true that actually is but since the day I got him I have felt that this is the type of dog I SHOULD have if that makes since. I definitely feel a connection with him that I have never felt with any dog before and I have had many dogs! Jw but when would you say that they grow out of their "landshark" phase?
06-03-2014 02:48 PM
Susan_GSD_mom
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It is crazy how fast they learn. My trainer told me the other day that when he get about a year and a half yrs old that they pretty much just "start taking care of you" in her words. Any opinions on that? This is my first GSD and you seem to have experience with them...
In case no one has warned you yet, you will go through the terrible adolescent years, when they turn into "landsharks," similar to human adolescents, when they absolutely want to do everything their way and don't want to listen to you. Just remember, don't give up! There is a wealth of information on this forum that deals with the landshark phase, and lots of people who have gone through it successfully, and when he comes out of that phase, you will have the best dog you have ever owned (or who owns you, lol). Your trainer said it starts around 18 months, but for some dogs, it's not until they are closer to 2 years, that's when everything clicks into gear. Then you will find that it's all definitely been worth it, and you have your 'heart dog.' I have had GSDs for 50 years, and for me, every one has been a GREAT dog, although I do have memories of 2 or 3 who have been exceptional heart and soul dogs. Look forward to it!

Susan
06-03-2014 01:59 PM
OklahomaGSDonTheRez Correct, it means thank you in Cherokee.
06-03-2014 01:58 PM
OklahomaGSDonTheRez I dont think I have anything to worry about, I think hes just goofy because of his age! I am taking him to the vet for 2nd shots today so I will ask!
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