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06-26-2014 01:18 PM
atravis You could also try a Freedom harness or other front-clip type harness.

My dogs are nicely heel trained when one-on-one with me, but my youngest tends to get a bit brassy when I walk him with the other dog. Admittedly I don't have really the time or desire to proof LLWing with both at the same time, so I use the Freedom when I take both out for casual walks. Works great.
06-26-2014 12:46 PM
wolfy dog
Originally Posted by canyadoit View Post
For a pup ? A prong or choke collar ? NUTS
Use a flat collar and lots of work Why use the
Heavy training aids first ? I guess it is easier and makes the handler look better For hard to work dogs sure for a while For a pup again Nuts
The flat collar training works well when the entire situation is under control, like in a well managed class or in your back yard. The problem starts when things in life "pop up" and the dog wants it, no matter what you do. No walking back works then. Then you need impulse control so you won't be taken kite flying by a strong young dog. The prong has increased impulse control dramatically and once they know it and you have applied it the correct way, you hardly have to use it for corrections. Later you can go back to the martingale or flat collar when he is ready.
I have learned not be hardcore about certain tools or techniques anymore but adjust to the individual dog, instead of calling other opinions "Nuts".
06-26-2014 12:31 PM
Katos_Mom My trainer had me start out with a choke collar on my gsd. However, I had to move up to a prong collar because I could yank all day on the choke collar and Kato would not respond. Most german shepherds have a high pain tolerance. I suggest starting off with the choke collar and move on accordingly.
06-26-2014 12:20 PM
wolfy dog
Originally Posted by Shade View Post
Go with the prong, must less chance of a neck injury and more effective in most cases.

Keep going with the training as well
Agree, no chokers. I wish I had started mine on the prong at that age. It has been a life saver and the walks and other events are enjoyable. I still use treats and toys for good behavior and the clicker and treats for teaching new behavior.
It has also worked wonders for fetching as he was happy to keep the toy himself before. Just make sure he never reaches the end of the leash/long line when fetching.
Good luck, continue what you are doing. I am a prong convert
With the next dog it will be prong as soon as these issues prop up.
06-26-2014 12:05 PM
Steve K I had a question, but re-read entire thread. I think I will continue with his flat collar at this point. I like "selzer's" suggestion. Our Legend is only 4 months old. He is strong as an ox, already stronger than I ever remember my big Rottie Thor being (probably 'cause I'm old and fat now!).
I think when the dogs are young, the best method is just a lot of practice! But remember: don't overdo your sessions. Some days it just don't work and ya gotta take a deep breath, and remember there's always tomorrow!
05-30-2014 08:04 AM
Originally Posted by Mishka&Milo View Post
My husband bought me a black prong..... Best gift ever I must say. (Second to my shepherd of course). You can't even see it on her! It's wonderful

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I have one too, I love it!
05-29-2014 11:45 PM
selzer Prong over a gentle leader.

I have used a choke, but only with trained dogs -- they are ok in the AKC ring. Chokes can be easily abused, and very ineffective, especially when they are not used correctly. They are cheap, and easy to put on, beyond that, they are not really a great choice.

Head halters are for horses. Haltis and Gentle Leaders are ok so long as you NEVER try to correct a dog with one, and your dog NEVER decides to bolt either after something, or away from something. I think they are very unsafe overall.

Flat collars are fine. Continue training. If he pulls, put on the brakes. Do not follow him. Turn around and go the other way. But if training becomes fighting with your dog, it is much better to go with a prong collar, so you can remain even, and the dog understands that he is not going to go where he wants, as fast as he wants.
05-29-2014 11:03 PM
Baillif Hah!
05-29-2014 10:46 PM
canyadoit For a pup ? A prong or choke collar ? NUTS
Use a flat collar and lots of work Why use the
Heavy training aids first ? I guess it is easier and makes the handler look better For hard to work dogs sure for a while For a pup again Nuts
05-29-2014 07:22 PM
Baillif Ivan has had an influence. Personal experience did the rest.

Puppy should be born some time within the next few days but won't be old enough to take home until closer to August. That is if there is a male in that litter. I'll be able to get a look at them when I head down there to train in the next week or so.
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