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06-04-2014 09:43 PM
Chip18 Bi means two. To me that guy is a tri color. My Bull mastiff/
Ptt mix was a tri color not very commom! My Blk GSD would be a bi color white blaze on his chest.
06-04-2014 08:58 PM
gsdsar
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Sorry to hijack the post, but can anyone give me insight on my girl's coloring? Her undercoat is pitch black, so I'm thinking she may be rich bicolor based on what I've read?

Beautiful Black and Tan.


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06-04-2014 08:56 PM
Liz&Anna I dunno... Maybe Anna isn't a bicolor, (I think she is???) but she's west German working line


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06-04-2014 12:54 AM
DaniFani
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Originally Posted by megansha View Post
Sorry to hijack the post, but can anyone give me insight on my girl's coloring? Her undercoat is pitch black, so I'm thinking she may be rich bicolor based on what I've read?
I would say she isn't bicolor, she's a black and tan. Pretty girl!
06-04-2014 12:50 AM
Pax8
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I believe I read somewhere that only 5% of working line GSDs are bi-colours. It's the least common of color pattern found in working lines - can't say how common it is in pet-lines (as in mostly american lines of random mish-mash breedings).

You won't have them in West German Showlines, where all other colours have been bred out in favour of the classic saddle-pattern black and tan.
I didn't realize it was that rare! I have a bi-color working line.
06-04-2014 12:48 AM
megansha Sorry to hijack the post, but can anyone give me insight on my girl's coloring? Her undercoat is pitch black, so I'm thinking she may be rich bicolor based on what I've read?
05-29-2014 09:09 AM
Castlemaid
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are bi colors pretty common?
I believe I read somewhere that only 5% of working line GSDs are bi-colours. It's the least common of color pattern found in working lines - can't say how common it is in pet-lines (as in mostly american lines of random mish-mash breedings).

You won't have them in West German Showlines, where all other colours have been bred out in favour of the classic saddle-pattern black and tan.
05-29-2014 09:02 AM
Castlemaid I'd agree with Carmen marty - I'd say molli is not bi-colour, but a melanistic black and tan. Melanistic meaning "heavy on the black pigment". Melanistic black and tans can look very much like bi-colours, but usually the lighter chest and belly area, and less black on the legs/feet give it away.

Either way, what a gorgeous girl!!! Congrats on the herding ability, I'd love to try something like that with Gryff, but we are so remote and isolated here, there are no venues for herding.

Whenever you have a GSD other than the classic black and tan, people will think it's a mix - I sure can understand the confusion your extended-blanket-back-with-white-patch-on-the-chest girl is causing. Heck, the first time I ever saw a sable and a bi-colour, I didn't recognize them as GSDs, and I was already more knowledgeable than most in that I knew that GSDs come in solid black, solid white, and short OR long hair, LOL! (and I had NO IDEA just how little I knew back then).

Owning a sable I get the "GSD mixed with . . .?" all the time. Doesn't bother me though, I just say "pure-bred" and people look at me like I'm full of it, but this is Canada, where people are always polite, so no one challenges me on it.
05-29-2014 02:00 AM
DaniFani Wow, skimmed through the pedigree forum thread you posted Carm, I didn't realize how heated conversations about color could get! haha
05-29-2014 01:38 AM
DaniFani Here's my guy, I tried to pick pictures that showed every angle lol. The last two are his mother (the one stacked) and his uncle. I think his coloring will be pretty close to theirs. I think a parent has to be a bicolor to get a bicolor (my dog's sire was sable, mother as seen)?

Not sure, neither parent of OP's dog looks bicolor to me, but I don't really understand the genetics behind a bicolor. Some say it's a genetically separate color from black/tan saddle back. Some say it's just a black and tan with no saddle and no mask. My guy has white hairs on the inside of his legs that made me wonder if he's really a blanket back. When he was a puppy he had some on his chest, but they are all but gone now. His face is completely black, he has a tan circle around his "vent," leg penciling, tar heels, toe penciling, black belly, no bitch strip at all, etc.

Anyone know what's an "acceptable" amount of tan on the chest for a bicolor? That seems to be the biggest "throw off" for me when telling if a dog is a bicolor or not. OP, the amount of color on your dog's neck/front chest, and the lack of toe penciling is all that would make me question if it was a bicolor. However, I've seen some dogs that some "in the know" said were bicolors and I would have guessed black and tan...who knows. In Germany (and on his papers) it just say's black and tan, so I usually just say he's a black and tan. People are always thrown off by his color. I get asked, "why is he black like that?" lol
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