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05-26-2014 11:47 PM
my boy diesel And in fact, the thread isn't about taking something away from a dog that they shouldn't have at all, it's about a dog that's uncomfortable with people nearby when it has a valuable resource, hence the growling.
i got that too which is why i posted a training link

simba has it right
do what you have to do to get the item
if it is poisonous and it takes a bribe so be it

my son grabbed horrible resource guarders collar (not my dog nor his but a guests dog) and literally choked it off a package of grapes
dog was fine and the grapes were recovered
not necessarily something i would do but it worked because of the situation

you just do what the situation requires but then go back to basics and train train train

because
If you get a dog that's barking and biting then you've already screwed up quite a bit.
05-26-2014 11:40 PM
simba405 In the moment I would just open the door and tell the dog you're going for a walk. It worked plenty of times for me.

But seriously just take a stick or tennis racket and cover the item up. Last I checked it's hard to bark and bite without dropping the item.

The dog will fiercely guard when they are in possession of an item but the moment you remove them from that item their demeanor change. I've had dogs ready to rip my arm off but once I actually got the item in my hands the dog turned calm and was sitting nicely asking for the item. At least that's what happens in my experiences. If you get a dog that's barking and biting then you've already screwed up quite a bit.
05-26-2014 11:34 PM
my boy diesel ..if your dog ever growled/snapped at you...you would never react to that infraction whatsoever but resort to a series of trading up ploys over the upcoming weeks and in that method
no not at all
i do not push my dogs because i know what i can and cannot do with them
i give my girl a himalyan yak milk chew and she likes them a lot
that would be the only thing she would ever not want me to take so i know that and i am not going to push her or harass her
i need to put it away as i am leaving so i went and got a pill pocket for her and gave her the pill pocket
i told her good girl took the treat and put the yak milk bone away
simple as that
why would i want to get in a confrontation with my dog?
as to guarding beds and crap they have never done it because i have always been their leader
their boss
their alpha
whatever key phrase you wanna use
but if they did i would lure them off with a treat and then leash them from then on so i could pull them off without a physical confrontation

it is just not necessary for me to scruff or fling my dogs around or smack them to teach them i want i want them to do and what not to do

I also think resource guarding goes deeper than the outer meaning, as in your true relationship with your dog.
with this i agree
05-26-2014 10:27 PM
VTGirlT
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Originally Posted by gsdsar View Post
I think we all get what you would do AFTER the fact. Your post made sense and is what I teach people. But what would you do IN THE MOMENT. when your dog is growling and charging and guarding from you? Taking his food away is not going to help, in the moment.

I have to be honest. This thread is confusing me. I have no idea what anyone does or not do in regards to this problem. It's actually funny to me. We all seem to be agreeing. It should not happen, if a dog is raised right. But I don't know that anyone has actually answered the OP question. Or have they? I don't know anymore!!!!

So how about this:

1. Prevent the issue from the get go. Teach young dogs that good things come when owner gets near their food. Dropping more food in bowl, it something even better. Trading an okay toy with an AWESOME toy!!! Teaching them that owner is the bringer if good things!!! And can be trusted.

2. If it happens when dog is adult, either rescue or owned animal newly displaying behavior. Be safe, don't get attacked. If that means using something to get the object away, or calling dog off with something wonderful.
3. Teach the dog to not behave this way again, through a method the owner is capable of fulfilling. A sufficiently strong firm correction for agressing towards owner, trade up, hand feeding.

Did I cover it all? I think we all agree. Just methods may not.



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Yes i would agree gsdsar! I also think resource guarding goes deeper than the outer meaning, as in your true relationship with your dog. Same goes with handling.
Not going to lie here, and i just have to say it because thats the way i am, "some people'' on this thread i take as seriously (after things have been said) as seriously as i take this video:


removed - find a silly video of your own for impact

05-26-2014 10:22 PM
gsdsar
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Originally Posted by simba405 View Post
What you failed to grasp (something that is abundant in this thread) is that what I explained isn't about any certain item or food. It's about teaching the dog good things come from your hands. If the dog thinks this then why would it guard a bone or a dead rabbit etc? It shouldn't be afraid of losing it.

If my dog got ahold of a rib bone and growled at me this is what I would do. Take away all his food and start hand feeding. It's about teaching. It's not about taking away anything.

I think we all get what you would do AFTER the fact. Your post made sense and is what I teach people. But what would you do IN THE MOMENT. when your dog is growling and charging and guarding from you? Taking his food away is not going to help, in the moment.

I have to be honest. This thread is confusing me. I have no idea what anyone does or not do in regards to this problem. It's actually funny to me. We all seem to be agreeing. It should not happen, if a dog is raised right. But I don't know that anyone has actually answered the OP question. Or have they? I don't know anymore!!!!

So how about this:

1. Prevent the issue from the get go. Teach young dogs that good things come when owner gets near their food. Dropping more food in bowl, it something even better. Trading an okay toy with an AWESOME toy!!! Teaching them that owner is the bringer if good things!!! And can be trusted.

2. If it happens when dog is adult, either rescue or owned animal newly displaying behavior. Be safe, don't get attacked. If that means using something to get the object away, or calling dog off with something wonderful.
3. Teach the dog to not behave this way again, through a method the owner is capable of fulfilling. A sufficiently strong firm correction for agressing towards owner, trade up, hand feeding.

Did I cover it all? I think we all agree. Just methods may not.



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05-26-2014 09:54 PM
simba405
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Originally Posted by VTGirlT View Post
Thats what you're supposed to do with resource guarding with food, we did this with a dog at the shelter i worked at, he had very bad food aggression and would attack your legs if you stood even near his bowl.
However, bones and high value treats antlers, bones, chews are a totally different scenario. Which is what the OP is having problems with. You can't hand feed a bone.. It just doesn't work that way.
And stepping back just shows them that when they lunge or growl at you, your reaction is going to be to step back, which is the reaction they had intended you to do and which is why they did the reaction in the first place, which is logical. I'm learning this with my new job and all of the good, bad and ugly dogs i get to work with!

And by distracting the dog with leaving and going somewhere is fine for the mean time, but you are not "fixing" the problem, just running around it. So your approach would not work for me or my dog- our relationship is much deeper than that.
And slamming someone else isn't nice.
What you failed to grasp (something that is abundant in this thread) is that what I explained isn't about any certain item or food. It's about teaching the dog good things come from your hands. If the dog thinks this then why would it guard a bone or a dead rabbit etc? It shouldn't be afraid of losing it.

If my dog got ahold of a rib bone and growled at me this is what I would do. Take away all his food and start hand feeding. It's about teaching. It's not about taking away anything.

Btw sometimes my dog gets ahold of something he isn't suppose to have. Yet I can call him over and take it from his mouth. He isn't afraid of losing it. I'm either going to examine the item and let him have it; or I'll replace it with something.

If you actually understood the part about distracting then you would realize it was about taking something away that absolutely needed to be taken away at that moment. It wasn't about teaching anything. I've taken things away from dogs that were ready to rip my arm off. The dog isn't going forward to attack. It's guarding. Imo not that hard to take something away without getting bit.
05-26-2014 09:32 PM
VTGirlT
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Originally Posted by simba405 View Post
Simple. I'd start hand feeding all the meals for awhile. Then i would add a little bit into his food bowl. Once he finishes I reach my hands into the bowl and give him more. Do this until the dog is fed. If the dog is completely comfortable then I give the full meal in the bowl and will walk by time to time, reach down and add a treat and be on my way. If the dog starts eating fast or body stiffens or growls then i go back one step. Dog needs to learn that you're not taking anything away. If anything his tail should wag because you coming close means good things for the dog. If dog still refuses to guard then I would correct the dog so hard bystanders might call animal control on me. First try to alter how the dog views you and if that doesn't work then punish the dog.

If a dog gets something and refuses to let go I would distract the dog. Go open the door and let the dog outside. Most dogs would follow you. Use a stick and poke the item away. Lombardo wouldn't know this but with resource guarders they can fiercely protect something but the moment you take the item away they don't attack you trying to get it back. The moment you take it away their train of thought changes.

Of course if you get a dog that is fiercely guarding then you've been doing something wrong for a while.
Thats what you're supposed to do with resource guarding with food, we did this with a dog at the shelter i worked at, he had very bad food aggression and would attack your legs if you stood even near his bowl.
However, bones and high value treats antlers, bones, chews are a totally different scenario. Which is what the OP is having problems with. You can't hand feed a bone.. It just doesn't work that way.
And stepping back just shows them that when they lunge or growl at you, your reaction is going to be to step back, which is the reaction they had intended you to do and which is why they did the reaction in the first place, which is logical. I'm learning this with my new job and all of the good, bad and ugly dogs i get to work with!

And by distracting the dog with leaving and going somewhere is fine for the mean time, but you are not "fixing" the problem, just running around it. So your approach would not work for me or my dog- our relationship is much deeper than that.
And slamming someone else isn't nice.
05-26-2014 07:31 PM
SuperG
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Originally Posted by simba405 View Post
Simple. I'd start hand feeding all the meals for awhile. Then i would add a little bit into his food bowl. Once he finishes I reach my hands into the bowl and give him more. Do this until the dog is fed. If the dog is completely comfortable then I give the full meal in the bowl and will walk by time to time, reach down and add a treat and be on my way. If the dog starts eating fast or body stiffens or growls then i go back one step. Dog needs to learn that you're not taking anything away. If anything his tail should wag because you coming close means good things for the dog. If dog still refuses ( I assume you meant "continues" ) to guard then I would correct the dog so hard bystanders might call animal control on me. First try to alter how the dog views you and if that doesn't work then punish the dog.
There you go...not only was that germane to the OP's original situation but makes good sense....I'd give that a try much sooner than the trade up game...

.....just a basic relearning that good things come from the hand.

Thank you for the input....hope the OP reads that.

SuperG
05-26-2014 06:07 PM
simba405
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Originally Posted by SuperG View Post
I assume all folks involved in this friendly debate over different methods can all comprehend....so let's keep it friendly and be civil.

Once again, I do challenge you to describe how you would approach this problem....what would you do if your dog growled and snapped at you if you came close to his food bowl ?
Simple. I'd start hand feeding all the meals for awhile. Then i would add a little bit into his food bowl. Once he finishes I reach my hands into the bowl and give him more. Do this until the dog is fed. If the dog is completely comfortable then I give the full meal in the bowl and will walk by time to time, reach down and add a treat and be on my way. If the dog starts eating fast or body stiffens or growls then i go back one step. Dog needs to learn that you're not taking anything away. If anything his tail should wag because you coming close means good things for the dog. If dog still refuses to guard then I would correct the dog so hard bystanders might call animal control on me. First try to alter how the dog views you and if that doesn't work then punish the dog.

If a dog gets something and refuses to let go I would distract the dog. Go open the door and let the dog outside. Most dogs would follow you. Use a stick and poke the item away. Lombardo wouldn't know this but with resource guarders they can fiercely protect something but the moment you take the item away they don't attack you trying to get it back. The moment you take it away their train of thought changes.

Of course if you get a dog that is fiercely guarding then you've been doing something wrong for a while.
05-26-2014 04:55 PM
VTGirlT
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Originally Posted by simba405 View Post
If the dog is guarding something you seriously think the dog will listen to your drop it command? Let's say by some act of God the dog listens and you take the item away. Do you think the dog will listen next time since all you did was take his item away?

Like I said, you sound like someone who has never dealt with the problem and just speaking out of their you know what....
I'm sorry but, this is just rude.. llombardo has helped me and gave advice before, if you don't like advice or what someone is saying and offering to you than don't take it. You certainly don't have to be rude about it.
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