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05-26-2014 03:14 AM
LouCastle First lose this trainer. Anyone who tells you to whip a dog has not kept up with training in the last 25 years.

Second, using an Ecollar at the levels that you describe to punish this behavior, can easily backfire and make the problem worse.

Third, look at this protocol. Game Chasing (Crittering) It has failed me only once, and that was when the owner refused to do his homework.
05-21-2014 06:00 PM
selzer
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If you have to beat the dog, to get it to obey, than its the wrong match.

I think in your post it does say it all. You told the dog to do something repeatedly. Your first trainer should have nipped that in the bud. Repeating commands TEACHES the dog to ignore you. Don't do that. Tell the dog once, and then help him if he does not comply.

You can beat your dog or whip your dog, but if you do not improve your own leadership, your consistency and your timing, then, all you are going to do is increase the level of force needed to manage your dog. Striking the dog alone is not going to give you a well-trained dog.

If your k9-training dog trainer teaches you some basic rules in how to train. Like don't repeat commands. Don't give commands you cannot enforce immediately. Start and end training on an upbeat positive not. Praise your dog when he is doing what you want. And so forth.
Oops, didn't finish my thought at the end -- well, if he teaches you some basic rules in how to train, then you may find you do not need to whip your dog.
05-21-2014 05:52 PM
Lilie
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It's not an everyday thing, but once in a long while the dog does something aggressive towards man or dog that is extreme and deserves immediate employment of the leash across his shoulders.

That stops every bad behavior and re-establishes my position as his superior.


LF
It re-establishes your position that you have no idea what it means to train a dog.
05-21-2014 05:39 PM
ApselBear
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Did you ask your dog in a nice soft voice if he would behave? It works wonders for me

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05-21-2014 05:33 PM
selzer If you have to beat the dog, to get it to obey, than its the wrong match.

I think in your post it does say it all. You told the dog to do something repeatedly. Your first trainer should have nipped that in the bud. Repeating commands TEACHES the dog to ignore you. Don't do that. Tell the dog once, and then help him if he does not comply.

You can beat your dog or whip your dog, but if you do not improve your own leadership, your consistency and your timing, then, all you are going to do is increase the level of force needed to manage your dog. Striking the dog alone is not going to give you a well-trained dog.

If your k9-training dog trainer teaches you some basic rules in how to train. Like don't repeat commands. Don't give commands you cannot enforce immediately. Start and end training on an upbeat positive not. Praise your dog when he is doing what you want. And so forth.
05-21-2014 01:26 PM
Longfisher
Yes, yes and yes.

[QUOTE=Ba_reefer;5543857Question: Do you guys whip the dog with the end of the leash?
Do you guys do it in public?
If so what do you say when people criticize you?[/QUOTE]

It's not an everyday thing, but once in a long while the dog does something aggressive towards man or dog that is extreme and deserves immediate employment of the leash across his shoulders.

That stops every bad behavior and re-establishes my position as his superior.

I've never had anyone who witnessed this discipline complain as it's only employed when the dog is very clearly out of line and dangerous. Their silence implies consent.

LF
05-21-2014 01:25 PM
Baillif Your trainer doesn't know what he is doing. Send me a pm and I'll tell you how to fix it.
05-21-2014 01:21 PM
Ba_reefer i started at buy using the warning button first which sends a vibration. if it looks like he is going to engage in something bad. if he does with the warning i send a nick at the lowest setting i never use the contn. function. then increase the setting as needed. but i always use the warning first

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What was the procedure you used?
05-21-2014 01:20 PM
Baillif You went up to 60 and said the dog wasn't responding but the iq has 100 levels and the NCPs have 127 so...yeah.
05-21-2014 01:17 PM
Ba_reefer no offense taken, thanks for the reply, Just to be clear everything i have used was recommended by a trainer and the trainers taught me how they should be used. They all work temperately and Cody seems ignore the corrections. The reason im asking is because havent heard about this kind of correction and want to learn about whats other methods people use. I am obviously being fair and the trainer explained all the steps in helping cody understand its not a punishment but more of understanding whats wrong and right.

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I'm guessing the end of the leash was used because you've kinda ruined/misused (sorry no offense meant), the prong/pinch, ecollar, choke, positive only, etc...(your own admittance "I've tried everything....").

I've seen the leash used like this as punishment. A fast, quick, wrist flick, of a smack with the end of leash. The key to your story is "I have to say it did work. and i have never seen Cody behave so well with another large dog." If what your saying is true "he's trained and placed many dogs in local law enforcement agencies"...this dude has more experience than some strangers on an internet forum.

You've exhausted all your options..you found something that's working...your dog isn't walking away ruined or hurt or abused...actually, he's walking away better than he's ever been (your words) and yet you go to the internet to see what strangers say. I just don't get people...I really don't.

I hope Bailiff comments (as he deals with pets/owners all the time of similar situation). You can use ANYTHING as punishment...hand, stick, ecollar, etc. It's the fair punishment, paired with the other reinforcers of the proper behavior, that get's you improvement. A lot around here don't like punishment, and don't like to talk about it or consider it as an option (or that pretty much any object can be used). No matter how much it's been proven (as long as it's fair and paired with the reinforcing behaviors/rewards) to work.

Good luck, OP.
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