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06-10-2014 10:10 AM
ChetsDad Well, the ortho didn't give us the news we were hoping. Chet has a torn ACL. : ( Surgery is scheduled next Thursday, she is going to do a TPLO. She feels he is young enough he'll make a great recovery, though later on in life will probably have some arthritis in the knee. The surgery sounds like it will leave him with a more stable knee than before. I feel so bad for the big guy. It may end up being harder on me than him, I am such a softie when it comes to him as he has totally captured my heart. I've been reading tons about the surgery and care afterwards, anyone have any helpful hints for the 8 or so weeks afterwards?
05-31-2014 12:22 AM
huntergreen tks for the reply anubis.
05-30-2014 06:14 PM
Anubis_Star
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Well, had x-rays done yesterday. Good news is that his hips look great, bad news was that he has something floating around in knee that is causing inflammation. Either some bone chips or some torn cartilage that may have calcified. Seeing the ortho vet next week. She thinks it is likely some cartilage since he has never come up lame, and fractures tend to cause that. Can't think for the life of me when it ever happened because he has never fallen to my knowledge, or limped on it or anything. Makes me sad to think the little guy has been in pain and I've never know it. Such a tough little fella. She felt confident there were no ligament tears, just some stuff floating around in there, which should be an easy fix.
OP sorry to here this but luckily sounds like a good ortho vet will be able to fix it no problem

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05-30-2014 06:07 PM
Anubis_Star I can find published papers I've read recently.

Realistically I think there's just not enough studies done. But I work with board certified surgeons, oncologists. We do probably 6+ TPLOs a week for torn cruciate ligaments. There have been some studies that say early castration can greatly increase the risk for torn cruciate ligaments. All these dogs are speutered. Who's to say it's not related.

It feels like every golden on the planet gets hemangiosarc (I think the number now is 60% of Goldens get cancer). There was a study done on Goldens specifically for that reason that showed a strong correlation between early spaying and increased instances of hemangiosarc.

There was a study done on rotties, a breed prone to Osteosarcoma, that showed a correlation between early speutering and increased instances of osteosarcoma. One figure I read said female rotties spayed after 6 years of age live on average 30% longer! For a breed that only has an average lifespan of 8-9 years, that's adding 3+ years potentially to their life.

Hemangiosarc will kill a dog, osteosarcoma will kill a dog. Waiting until 18 months to neuter will not kill a dog. So I say, why not wait?

I think it's HIGHLY unethical to hide the risks to just to promote early spay/neuter for breeding preventative. Why don't we talk to people and educate them instead? If they Still want to spay and neuter early then at least they are properly informed and can make the best decision for their dog at that point

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05-30-2014 04:28 PM
huntergreen the use of "may have" is often for legal issues. annubis works with a vet and may have some reliable insight on recently published papers.
05-30-2014 12:23 PM
my boy diesel the one thing i caan't reconcile is all the healthy dogs i have met over the last 50 or so years that have been perfectly fine when neutered at six months. thoughts?

turns out that all the studies are just big 'may cause' which also means 'may not cause'
05-30-2014 09:57 AM
huntergreen
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As well as just plain offering bad advice in a field that is clearly not your strong point.

Numerous studies (in dogs and eunuch humans) show that castration before sexual maturity causes increased long bone lengths which have the potential to lead to arthritic and other joint consequences don't the road. So simply mentioning it to someone who's dog potentially has a joint defect already is good advice, not making them feel bad. "HEY, btw, maybe you should simply reconsider that and hold of for 3 months because look at these studies..." is offensive?

If the dogs growth plates aren't going to close until 10, 11, or 12 months old, then yes, neutering at 9 months old completely affects growth outcome after that point and inhibits plate closure. And it will be a rare large breed dog that has full growth plate closure by 9 months of age

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anubis, i have read some of the studies on this. the one thing i caan't reconcile is all the healthy dogs i have met over the last 50 or so years that have been perfectly fine when neutered at six months. thoughts?
05-30-2014 09:55 AM
huntergreen wonder if it could have been there since birth. sounds like it can be fixed. keep us posted.
05-30-2014 08:32 AM
ChetsDad Well, had x-rays done yesterday. Good news is that his hips look great, bad news was that he has something floating around in knee that is causing inflammation. Either some bone chips or some torn cartilage that may have calcified. Seeing the ortho vet next week. She thinks it is likely some cartilage since he has never come up lame, and fractures tend to cause that. Can't think for the life of me when it ever happened because he has never fallen to my knowledge, or limped on it or anything. Makes me sad to think the little guy has been in pain and I've never know it. Such a tough little fella. She felt confident there were no ligament tears, just some stuff floating around in there, which should be an easy fix.
05-21-2014 03:43 PM
The Stig
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I hope you realize that that is not our intention and you are turning the thread into the wrong direction.
This.

People are so quick to take things so personally these days, whether it concerns them or not. Juuuust saaaayin', before another person decides it is a personal attack.

OP: Not much new to offer besides what has already been written, but all the best and keep us updated.
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