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05-30-2014 10:14 AM
petite I agree with everyone mentioning its not the golden owner's business or right to physically correct your pup. She should have removed her pup and expressed her concern with the trainer if she felt that uncomfortable. The puppy class is there for you all to learn and there is no mention at all of the trainer having any part in the situation until they were offering a refund. I would not go back.

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05-24-2014 12:21 AM
Chip18 Hmm well crazy still seems to be holding sway here?? So let me say for the record "I" am firmly opposed to slapping other peoples dogs in a puppy socialization class!

I suppose others are free to slap away but one should be prepared for the consequences. Some folks don't make good choices!
05-23-2014 11:55 PM
llombardo
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post

On Tuesdays and Thursdays I train alongside GRs of all ages.
GRs are large dogs (if you consider a shepherd large). They have lots of energy. They can be a handful. They can also be rather soft. I get all that.

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As the owner of 2 GSD's and 2 goldens I can say that I agree with this. My older golden is the same size as my male GSD and the puppy just turned a year and he will be close to the same size. The golden puppy was way more of a handful then both GSD's. Both goldens can hold their own. The male GSD gets put in his place by the golden if he keeps pushing his buttons and the GSD backs down. The golden puppy has always held his own with Midnite and Midnite plays rough. I don't consider either of my goldens soft.
05-23-2014 10:12 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by wolfy dog View Post
Selzer, take a deep breath and a cup of tea....Some one asked to look at the point of the Golden's owner. I did, that's all. No need to prove me wrong or right for that matter. It's time to play with the dogs.
Since I could not slap someone else's puppy, I can find myself in their shoes, so I just can't get her point of view at all. I don't understand why you feel attacked by me, by what I said. I just said that it doesn't sound like a panic reaction with two slaps, and that she needs to be educated.

The trainer of this puppy socialization class ought to be doing that.

On Tuesdays and Thursdays I train alongside GRs of all ages.
And there are labs too, Toby, Max, and another Lab in the other class. Actually, the only dogs to ever charge me in a class were chocolate labs. But whatever. I bring the sheps. Sometimes other people have a shep too. GRs are large dogs (if you consider a shepherd large). They have lots of energy. They can be a handful. They can also be rather soft. I get all that.

What I don't get is how anyone can feel that they should punish another person's puppy in a puppy socialization class. Why, two days later, we are still talking about this is crazy. If those of you who think the OP is totally wrong and the GR lady was the wronged party, than shouldn't the trainer have explained to her what her puppy was doing and how she should go about modifying the puppy's behavior? Would that not be the purpose of having a trainer in a puppy socialization class?

The reason I want to smack the GR lady, is because puppies tend to be a bit more sensitive than adults, and for a stranger to act the way she did to this puppy, could very well cause the puppy to distrust strangers. All we need, right? An aloof dog more distrustful of strangers. As the op's dog never made any contact with the GR, it is highly doubtful that anything the dog might do, any type of rough play which did not get the opportunity to happen, would be less traumatic for her dog, than a couple of smacks from a stranger would be for the GSD.
05-23-2014 09:23 PM
Harry and Lola
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this wasn't the case in this class , but found this interesting Why Does My Herding Dog Seem to Hate Labs?

maybe the owner of the retriever had some bad experience with a GSD previously so was being the "helicopter parent" .
Thanks for posting this, I haven't read this before, explains everything perfectly and is very easy to comprehend

Should be a sticky for explaining why GSDs behave the way they do especially in dog parks.
05-23-2014 09:05 PM
Harry and Lola Totally don't blame you for reacting, I would of slapped the women if she slapped my puppy - would of been totally wrong, but my reaction would of been instant.

I understand how you must be feeling. I understand what it is like to be around people with quite gentle breeds like Golden Retrievers that are over-sensitive to allowing their GR around more powerful breeds like GSD. I understand some of these type of owners create problems where there should be none and end up raising a nervous fearful GR because of their behaviour and go to great lengths to ostracise German Shepherds. I have personally experienced this.

GSDs, even at this young age, are rough noisy players and some people are not comfortable with this. This woman is obviously not comfortable with GSDs, she may have already had a bad experience or one previously with another dog. It is important to be aware that not all people are comfortable with their other breed dog playing with a GSD.

Obedience training should be just that - training your puppy in obedience and teaching your puppy to ignore all the other dogs. Part of obedience involves doing exercises like weaving in between a line of dogs and you need to have your puppy focus on you as you are weaving, you also need to be able to have your puppy focus on you if you are in the line and another dog is weaving. Obedience training imo is not for socialisation with other dogs, I really don't think the trainer should of allowed this, even if the class hadn't started, people should be encouraging their puppy to focus on them only and to ignore all the other puppies.

I also think you should of accepted this woman was being over-sensitive by following them around, annoying as this is, but you should have acknowledged this and removed your puppy from this GR, you should be been more sensitive to the situation.

If it were me, I would return to obedience training because it is so beneficial for a breed like GSD, they really do need this and helps build a bond between you and your puppy plus establishes control for you. If you are not comfortable going back, find another OB school. I would also suggest you don't use OB training as an opportunity for your puppy to socialise but to train your puppy to ignore other dogs - this will benefit you in the future.

In terms of socialising, if you could go to a dog park if there are other similar type dogs there or find people with dogs that would be suitable for playing.

Keep your OB training for just that - obedience training rather than a socialisation class.
05-23-2014 08:11 PM
wolfy dog
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Originally Posted by selzer View Post
Wolfy dog, one slap is perhaps a panic reaction. Two slaps doesn't sound like panic. It sounds like someone who needs to have a bit of education.
Selzer, take a deep breath and a cup of tea....Some one asked to look at the point of the Golden's owner. I did, that's all. No need to prove me wrong or right for that matter. It's time to play with the dogs.
05-23-2014 08:06 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by middleofnowhere View Post
Here's something that strikes me about this thread (made it to page 10 & then read p 19)-- On the board in general (not this thread) there seems to be a lot of "protect your pup/dog" "don't let XYZ" (frequently accompanied by phrases like "I'd drop kick the XYZ") yet here when the GR's person tried to do that, she is somehow at fault.

Step back and think about it. Recall this thread the next time you are tempted to get all up in arms about the interaction between dogs (and dog owners).
Ok well if we are moving of the bashing? I can chime in here.

I am one of the protect your dog advocates, Through a combination of skill, luck and brass balls my guys have never been struck and I have never had to lay hands on a loose dog.

Yes "now" the OP knows what she should have done. But the GR owner is not without blame here! This situation is much different than loose dogs on the street! If you are "willingly taking your dog into a socialization sitting, you can't be rolling in there with an "I'm gonna slap the crap out of any dog that does something I don't care for to my dog attitude!"

I expect people to exercise some kind of common sense in that type of situation. You are technically putting your dog at risk, if you can't handle any kind of dog dog interaction...then stay away!
05-23-2014 07:34 PM
carmspack this wasn't the case in this class , but found this interesting Why Does My Herding Dog Seem to Hate Labs?

maybe the owner of the retriever had some bad experience with a GSD previously so was being the "helicopter parent" .
05-23-2014 06:55 PM
jafo220 Selzer, I was referring to humans grabbing the collar. Not the dog grabbing the others collar. It's a better way of controlling the situation than slapping the dog. That's all I'm trying to say and agree with. I also know that for myself, I do watch my dog as I don't want someone nipped or scratched and the person thinking the dog did it out of aggression. He can get vocal at times and it can be intimidating. But I know he is just excited. They don't.

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