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05-21-2014 09:22 AM
Liesje He can (and has) produce dogs that will title. They may not be as sharp or civil as some, but often that's not really what you want if your goal is to title. I like him a lot, and I'm a pretty hard sell.
05-20-2014 10:02 PM
cltyus
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Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
I got the OP's PM but will respond here since maybe it's still relevant....

I'm still not sure if we're talking about supposed "real dogs" in general or Boy....from what I have personally seen from Boy, I would not be concerned that he or a dog like him is going to be too much dog for a newbie owner as long as that owner understands owning a working line GSD in general. This is especially true if the puppy is bought from Bill and Jen, I believe they are very thorough with prospective buyers and sell the puppy that matches the buyer.

I originally bought a Boy puppy *because* I though Boy was very stable, not an overly sharp dog, a "safe" sort of dog. A dog that would produce a nice working dog that could excel in many venues but not be a dog that couldn't live in my house with my family and accompany us on vacations or bonfires with kids, that sort of thing. I don't mean to say he's not a beast in protection, not at all, looks like he could really stop a helper, but when I met him I was not uncomfortable playing with him and petting him as if he were a pet. The puppy I raised for two years was a good natured dog, high prey drive and somewhat lower threshold for my taste but a fun, easy dog to train. He set a breed speed record in flyball after less than a year of training and just recently at 3 years of age placed 10th at the working dog championship with his current owner. I also put some fun titles on him like dock diving and lure coursing. I asked for a competitive Schutzhund prospect with drive to do all sorts of sports and be a safe family dog and I feel that's what I got. Sure there's a civil/defensive/real/whatever you want to call it side to him just as there is any dog if you push the right buttons.


Thanks! That's exactly what I wanted to know..When I was saying real I was meaning that I've read of people breeding for so much sport, that they lose the level of aggression that should come with the breed to win titles....if that makes sense..... I wasn't concerned about boy, I was just using him as an example
05-20-2014 08:23 PM
Sunflowers
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Then again I wouldn't recommend a good czech dog to a first time owner either.
Depends on the individual dog and the owner.

It worked out very well for us.
05-20-2014 08:20 PM
Liesje I got the OP's PM but will respond here since maybe it's still relevant....

I'm still not sure if we're talking about supposed "real dogs" in general or Boy....from what I have personally seen from Boy, I would not be concerned that he or a dog like him is going to be too much dog for a newbie owner as long as that owner understands owning a working line GSD in general. This is especially true if the puppy is bought from Bill and Jen, I believe they are very thorough with prospective buyers and sell the puppy that matches the buyer.

I originally bought a Boy puppy *because* I though Boy was very stable, not an overly sharp dog, a "safe" sort of dog. A dog that would produce a nice working dog that could excel in many venues but not be a dog that couldn't live in my house with my family and accompany us on vacations or bonfires with kids, that sort of thing. I don't mean to say he's not a beast in protection, not at all, looks like he could really stop a helper, but when I met him I was not uncomfortable playing with him and petting him as if he were a pet. The puppy I raised for two years was a good natured dog, high prey drive and somewhat lower threshold for my taste but a fun, easy dog to train. He set a breed speed record in flyball after less than a year of training and just recently at 3 years of age placed 10th at the working dog championship with his current owner. I also put some fun titles on him like dock diving and lure coursing. I asked for a competitive Schutzhund prospect with drive to do all sorts of sports and be a safe family dog and I feel that's what I got. Sure there's a civil/defensive/real/whatever you want to call it side to him just as there is any dog if you push the right buttons.
05-20-2014 06:45 PM
simba405 "real" dogs aren't good for inexperienced owners because they have no problem biting and will actually go forward to bite. They need strong leadership and guidance and sometimes a firm hand. They need to be taught what is an appropriate threat and what isn't.

Let an adolescent dog make its own decision and you could have a dog with multiple bites by the time it's one year old.

Of course take any dog that's barking it's head off and biting a sleeve and call it real and an inexperienced buyer wouldn't know any different.
05-20-2014 05:41 PM
cltyus I've only heard great things about Boy!
05-20-2014 05:40 PM
cltyus Thanks, I'm 100% sure on the dog. I've had a shepherd before, it was a dog we rescued from the streets, I was just looking more into the working lines that's all. I've had a shar pei from Hades, and managed that well lol I've researched for a couple years, been around different shepherds, so I'm sure as to what I'm getting into.
05-20-2014 03:21 PM
RubyTuesday
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Civil, socially aggressive dogs aren't for everyone, but are manageable by a first time owner if they really consider what is entailed before getting such a dog
Over & over one reads that breeds XYZ aren't for inexperienced owners...that they're not suited to 1st time owners. I've had a couple of Sibes, which are among those breeds 'inexperienced dog owners' are cautioned against but those warnings aren't (imo) well considered or really helpful. You can own 50 biddable Goldens & still not be prepared for the HUGE prey/kill drive, escapist tendencies, over the top energy & intransigent independence embodied in the average Husky. How many Cavalier Spaniels before one is prepared to keep one of the giant flock guards?

Hunter's advice is (imo) spot on. Know what owning/managing a particular breed entails. Know the problems associated with particular breeds, types lines & be certain you can deal with those problems safely & effectively. Be very, very certain it's not the image or myth you're keen on, that the actual dog really is well suited to your circumstances, life style & community.
05-20-2014 12:15 PM
Pax8 Can't say much about the different lines myself as I am just learning, but my current one is a WGWL. He's smart as a whip, seems to have average drive (though that can vary depending on individual dogs), and a very solid temperament - I haven't found anything that spooks him.

I can't say much about his protection ability as he is still young at under a year old. Haven't done any bite work, he has no protection training, but he will most definitely alert me if he feels something is off or if he hears or sees something strange inside or outside the house. Very alert and attentive in general. Other than that, he is relaxed and easygoing in pretty much every situation and around every person he has encountered.

I have heard if you are looking for a very high drive competition dog, the czech lines are the best ones to look at. I'm sure others with more experience will also give you more information. Good luck on your search!
05-20-2014 12:05 PM
lhczth I have also hung out with Boy. He is a very clear, social dog, but you would not walk into the house uninvited.
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