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05-20-2014 08:06 AM
wolfstraum I have known several titled dogs with late onset DM - and as I said, a friend has a dog just past 8 - a son of Falk v d Wolfen out of an Olex Valsory daughter - with DM.....being titled has nothing to do with whether a dog will have DM or not!

Lee
05-20-2014 02:05 AM
Packen A sample of 1 is not good statistically. Anyhow, lets agree to disagree.
05-20-2014 01:54 AM
Sabis mom
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I am sorry but it is very valid. DM can show symptoms around 5 years of age, dogs can get titled till 7-8 years of age. So if a dog develops weakness around 5 years of age and has a BH, how will he/she get to IPO3?
For a dog to develop symptoms of DM at 5 would be rare. It is a late onset disease, so largely after 8, most often 9-11. I also don't think you understand, once symptoms develop average life expectancy is 12-18 months. Some less, some more. So again titles are of no use. And a majority of dogs pursuing titles are under 5, so using titling as an argument with THIS disease is useless. Sabi was still working at 9, and had no signs of any weakness as any number of persons she helped apprehend can attest to. I know several people who purchased pups from titled parents and later discovered the dogs had DM.
05-20-2014 01:32 AM
Packen
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That is a good point, but not valid with DM.
I am sorry but it is very valid. DM can show symptoms around 5 years of age, dogs can get titled till 7-8 years of age. So if a dog develops weakness around 5 years of age and has a BH, how will he/she get to IPO3?
05-19-2014 02:31 PM
hunterisgreat
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I like seeing breeders and handlers working, training and titling dogs themselves rather than buying titles so therefore HOT is the key. When you work and trial, it unmasks health issues that may require to stop the training/trailing/titling so typically dogs with health issues do not get to the IPO3 HOT level. Simple.
I like seeing it as well, however many kennels have a team approach... with different handlers, trainers, and owner all collaborating on a kennel's dogs.

I get what you're saying though.
05-19-2014 02:12 PM
Sabis mom
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I like seeing breeders and handlers working, training and titling dogs themselves rather than buying titles so therefore HOT is the key. When you work and trial, it unmasks health issues that may require to stop the training/trailing/titling so typically dogs with health issues do not get to the IPO3 HOT level. Simple.
That is a good point, but not valid with DM.
With DM the dogs have NO symptoms or issues, until they do.
Sabi worked with me, day in day out, slept with me, ate with me, lived in my pocket, was never out of my sight. I knew her as well as I know myself. I knew every bruise, scrap, bump and cut that she ever had.
Understand that this was my partner, responsible for watching my back and making sure I got home every morning. This was a strong, healthy, active dog who I counted on. It would have been much worse then a missed title had I been negligent with her well-being.
05-19-2014 01:29 PM
Packen
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As was mentioned, DM presents long after working age so that sort of thought process is counter productive. What does HOT have to do with health btw?
I like seeing breeders and handlers working, training and titling dogs themselves rather than buying titles so therefore HOT is the key. When you work and trial, it unmasks health issues that may require to stop the training/trailing/titling so typically dogs with health issues do not get to the IPO3 HOT level. Simple.
05-19-2014 10:44 AM
Sabis mom
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So how about quality working line breeders who do test for DM in their breeding stock - who knows of any irregardless of the test controversy - some one I know is looking to add a breed worthy high quality puppy to her program - the requirement is parents DM clear. That their prerogative.
I have put together a list of breeders who are testing. If you PM me I will give you what I have. It's a pathetically short list though, and other then a handful I haven't interacted with them.
05-19-2014 03:24 AM
Xeph For the record, all my dogs are tested. Got one carrier and two clears.

Strauss is the carrier, and he has recently (in the last year) started dragging his feet. The vet suggested DM before I told him that Strauss had been tested. The toe dragging is most likely just part of aging. He is 10 after all
05-19-2014 03:22 AM
Xeph But they have to live long enough to present. There have been "at risk" dogs that lived a normal long life of 12-13 and didn't present with symptoms.

Maybe seems like semantics, but at risk just doesn't mean the same thing to me as affected
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