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09-14-2015 11:51 AM
holland and being titled has absolutely nothing to do with DM-lol
09-14-2015 11:49 AM
holland ...Xeph seems to believe that at the age of 10 if a dog is dragging its feet-well its 10-my hope would be that at 10 a dog is still healthy-maybe just slowing down a bit-I would imagine not many people do necropsy on their dog-I would rather put my money into trying to keep the dog healthy

Just had DM testing done-the vet who suggested it felt that it was pretty accurate for a GSD-will ask him more about it-also went to a teaching hospital
09-14-2015 10:57 AM
Kayos and Havoc Interesting discussion.

I agree with Xeph - many are still skeptical about the validity of the test. And when you see a dog test clear and then develop DM that would tend to undermine the validity. Would be a shame to remove a dog from a breeding program due to a test with questionable validity.

Mayhem's breeder is not yet testing. She is still watching the testing data. I was over at her place holding puppies on Saturday and we had this very same discussion. She has never had a dog with DM and to her knowledge none of the dogs she has bred have had it.

I wonder how many dogs are diagnosed with DM when they really had an injury or Spondylosis? I wonder how many dogs are actually necropsied to find out for sure?
09-11-2015 06:50 PM
onyx'girl
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In the interest of offering up more information about titled dogs and whether they're likely to have DM or not. We owned V-1 and Spitzen V Rikki v Steffen-Haus
SchH III, Kkl-1a, "a" Normal (ZW 83) DNA VP-1 and lost her at the age of 12 to DM. We also own her son, who is by VA1 (DK) Karats Ulko BHP3,IPO3 Kkl 1. Our poor Rowdy is 8 years old and has advanced DM which seems to be progressing much faster than his Mother's did. We acquired the very best quality we could and have experienced heartbreak because of this insidious disease. We are now waiting for a puppy from a breeder that tests. False readings aside, it's better than playing the odds.
I am sorry for your loss, and that Rowdy is now suffering.
I agree, testing may be 'iffy' but breeding two carriers would be irresponsible. I still think the test results can help possibly reduce the odds...even if it hasn't proven its accuracy.
09-11-2015 04:33 PM
artistikchick
Titled dogs and DM

In the interest of offering up more information about titled dogs and whether they're likely to have DM or not. We owned V-1 and Spitzen V Rikki v Steffen-Haus
SchH III, Kkl-1a, "a" Normal (ZW 83) DNA VP-1 and lost her at the age of 12 to DM. We also own her son, who is by VA1 (DK) Karats Ulko BHP3,IPO3 Kkl 1. Our poor Rowdy is 8 years old and has advanced DM which seems to be progressing much faster than his Mother's did. We acquired the very best quality we could and have experienced heartbreak because of this insidious disease. We are now waiting for a puppy from a breeder that tests. False readings aside, it's better than playing the odds.
05-20-2014 09:06 AM
wolfstraum I have known several titled dogs with late onset DM - and as I said, a friend has a dog just past 8 - a son of Falk v d Wolfen out of an Olex Valsory daughter - with DM.....being titled has nothing to do with whether a dog will have DM or not!

Lee
05-20-2014 03:05 AM
Packen A sample of 1 is not good statistically. Anyhow, lets agree to disagree.
05-20-2014 02:54 AM
Sabis mom
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I am sorry but it is very valid. DM can show symptoms around 5 years of age, dogs can get titled till 7-8 years of age. So if a dog develops weakness around 5 years of age and has a BH, how will he/she get to IPO3?
For a dog to develop symptoms of DM at 5 would be rare. It is a late onset disease, so largely after 8, most often 9-11. I also don't think you understand, once symptoms develop average life expectancy is 12-18 months. Some less, some more. So again titles are of no use. And a majority of dogs pursuing titles are under 5, so using titling as an argument with THIS disease is useless. Sabi was still working at 9, and had no signs of any weakness as any number of persons she helped apprehend can attest to. I know several people who purchased pups from titled parents and later discovered the dogs had DM.
05-20-2014 02:32 AM
Packen
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That is a good point, but not valid with DM.
I am sorry but it is very valid. DM can show symptoms around 5 years of age, dogs can get titled till 7-8 years of age. So if a dog develops weakness around 5 years of age and has a BH, how will he/she get to IPO3?
05-19-2014 03:31 PM
hunterisgreat
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I like seeing breeders and handlers working, training and titling dogs themselves rather than buying titles so therefore HOT is the key. When you work and trial, it unmasks health issues that may require to stop the training/trailing/titling so typically dogs with health issues do not get to the IPO3 HOT level. Simple.
I like seeing it as well, however many kennels have a team approach... with different handlers, trainers, and owner all collaborating on a kennel's dogs.

I get what you're saying though.
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