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05-22-2014 09:52 AM
glowingtoadfly Well, after his hike, he didn't bark at the neighbors on their roof or getting into their car as he usually does. I think the exercise and exposure helped.
05-21-2014 10:47 PM
Steve Strom And Emily, be honest with yourself and whats really progress. Don't fall into something I see with different people where they start making excuses for why he did this or that, then they quit enjoying their dog and just give up. Be consistent and stick with what you're good at and always be safe.
05-21-2014 10:40 PM
glowingtoadfly A good suggestion.
05-21-2014 10:29 PM
Steve Strom Hey Emily, I would think about doing one thing at a time. Work on the problem first, the socializing will be whatever he is good with when he can behave.
05-21-2014 10:08 PM
glowingtoadfly Although I know that the reactivity is important to deal with, I am also trying to socialize him as it wasn't done as a puppy, so I decided to risk a long hike through crowded places. He did much better than I had anticipated. I was ready to take him home if he became uncontrollable. Baillif, I am not endorsing any method, or saying that aversives don't work, simply sharing my experience with my dog.
05-21-2014 10:07 PM
Baillif It's annoying to see someone suggest a method of training when they themselves can't fix the very same issue in their own dogs. The pure positive scam spread on that very same crap.
05-21-2014 09:58 PM
Originally Posted by Baillif View Post
Well great. Let me know when it's fixed totally and I'll tell you the final count in how many dogs I've trained that had the same issue in that same interval.
Originally Posted by simba405 View Post
So when can you trust him enough to walk him off leash through the same route? 10 years?
Why is it so darn important for people that train with methods that include aversives to eliminate unwanted behavior to belittle people who choose to go at it a different way?

What is in it for you? Really?

If someone can make a dog that is being reactive, stable without your methods, then it must not be done efficiently or totally effective.

This stuff is really getting old on here. I am sure some of you have trained plenty of dogs. In my life, there were trainers who trained lots of dogs with choke-chains. The dogs' behaviors improved. They did it for decades. They got results. Did it make them right? Are there no better ways? Is it impossible that because they got results, there are no other or better ways to get from point A to point B?
05-21-2014 09:57 PM
glowingtoadfly I know that I shouldn't allow him to practice the behavior. He didn't bark at a poodle at close range inside the pet store, and accepted a treat from the owner and the proximity of other guests. I was shocked.
05-21-2014 09:54 PM
glowingtoadfly The leash laws in our city would prohibit me from trying it.. We are working on off leash heeling and recall, but I really prefer to have him leashed on hikes as we live in a metropolis. I'm OK with never walking off leash except when we go to my husband's parents cabin up north. As far as that goes, our other dog rarely wears a leash when we go up there. She is 2.
05-21-2014 09:50 PM
Baillif If she keeps allowing him to practice the behavior and get reinforced by it probably never. If you want to go that route you can't drop so far into threshold you see the reactivity or you're moving backward a step or three.
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