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05-19-2014 01:00 PM
Sabis mom
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Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
Ok basically same things I did. It was cooler weather when I was using the fabric muzzle, so no issues on the panting.

The full muzzles are better for the dog but as you've seen (from the sound of it?) it can also be an idiot magnet!
Idiot magnet

To get back on topic, if as a responsible owner, I wish to muzzle and leash my dog and take her for a stroll through my neighborhood where I live, that is my right. I have removed the possibility of her hurting anyone by muzzling and on leash, she may get rowdy but I have control. I respect others and will move her away if someone seems fearful or hesitant. I don't care if people don't like it, they are entitle to their opinion. If she barks or acts up, so what? I watch children, and adults, act up in public everyday.
When someone harasses her or pushes to the point where they are touching me, I have a right to be upset. I ask nicely then I demand. Get away from my dog and leave us alone!
05-17-2014 05:28 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Sabis mom View Post
Just to clarify a couple of things.

My dog processes better if I give her a minute, again poor vision, hence the sit. I do not use it all the time, rather as an option if tension is building or if we are being approached by something unusual ie, shopping cart, bottle-picker, large group. Our sidewalks, where we have them are narrow-3ft, and often have little leeway, if she is already stressed I would rather move away and give her a buffer then have her perceive that she is cornered.
I do understand that this is not the case with all dogs.
In spite of busy roads, off leash and 'at large' dogs are a huge problem here.
I opted for the basket muzzle to allow panting, drinking and treats.
I was first a horse person, and I have taken a huge portion of my dog handling from that.
No I am not young, and I do suffer from mild-moderate anxiety as a result of manageable PTSD, so I would really rather not interact with idiots.

I think the sore arm would be worth it.
Ok basically same things I did. It was cooler weather when I was using the fabric muzzle, so no issues on the panting.

The full muzzles are better for the dog but as you've seen (from the sound of it?) it can also be an idiot magnet!
05-17-2014 04:16 PM
Sabis mom Just to clarify a couple of things.

My dog processes better if I give her a minute, again poor vision, hence the sit. I do not use it all the time, rather as an option if tension is building or if we are being approached by something unusual ie, shopping cart, bottle-picker, large group. Our sidewalks, where we have them are narrow-3ft, and often have little leeway, if she is already stressed I would rather move away and give her a buffer then have her perceive that she is cornered.
I do understand that this is not the case with all dogs.
In spite of busy roads, off leash and 'at large' dogs are a huge problem here.
I opted for the basket muzzle to allow panting, drinking and treats.
I was first a horse person, and I have taken a huge portion of my dog handling from that.
No I am not young, and I do suffer from mild-moderate anxiety as a result of manageable PTSD, so I would really rather not interact with idiots.

I think the sore arm would be worth it.
05-17-2014 03:31 PM
Gwenhwyfair Hey you.

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I've had dogs that needed their environment managed, but I never thought of it as a "bubble" problem. I just figured that it would be easier on me and my dogs if we weren't surrounded by the things that got them going, and I'd avoid those things. If it meant walking my DA dog at 2am, then that was fine with me. Not going to parks on a Sat. with my child-unfriendly GSD was fine too, for example. I didn't muzzle them - I just didn't let them interact with their triggers, and gradually got them used to them slowly, to the point that they could ignore them. That was my goal.

IME, people (in general) don't respect any dog's space so if my dog needs some, then I avoid people, lol. It's much easier this way, for me. I was at the vet's with my pup this week and a lady had her little dog on a flexi while I was settling up my bill. Her dog came around the corner and met mine without her seeing what her dog was up to, then when she saw my dog she was freaked out said her dog was afraid of big dogs. Oh well, then maybe you should lock the flexi to the point that you can see where your dog is? Or admit that you have a problem with big dogs that you're projecting onto your dog, since they're fine together? I didn't understand what she wanted from me - my dog was on a 6' leash. Hers was on a 20' cord, out of her sight? LOL!!!
05-17-2014 03:28 PM
Gwenhwyfair I'm glad you mentioned that! In red. I was thinking about that the other day. Red ribbons in the tail meant BACK off. If we were in the show ring, I showed 4H at the time, we knew we had to stay away and if we couldn't control OUR horse it was our fault. Horse people *tend* to be good about respecting the space of other people's horses. We didn't go around saying that we should be able to run up behind a strange horse and smack it's rump. A kick from a horse can be far more damaging then most dog bites too.

I've never had a dog that needed a muzzle, whether for dog aggression or human aggression. So I didn't think about how some people may react to seeing a dog muzzled. In the article I read some mentioned they are accused of being irresponsible by having a 'vicious' dog in public. Now you mention that some people see at as a challenge. SMH.


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Shadow has issues. I've said that before. She was attacked as a pup by loose dogs, I was bitten as well. It's a neighborhood issue, so she isn't great with strange dogs and especially strange dogs who charge at her.
I suspect as a result of poor eyesight she also isn't fond of random touching, and we do work on it. When she leaves the yard for our walks, she is muzzled. I do speak to people, and I do expect that my boundaries be respected. I live on the border of a busy residential/commercial area and an industrial park.
I do not expect people to stop their lives for us, but I do expect them to display common sense and decency. I get comments about the muzzle but more often the weirdos around here seem to see it as a challenge. My dog is in control, behaving and all we ask is to be left alone. I will happily clear her off the sidewalk and put her in a sit to allow people to pass if need be. Sadly they often follow, which leaves me 'punishing' my now frightened dog by issuing corrections.
Skittish horses wear ribbons on their tails to warn of a potential kick if approached and I have never seen anyone disregard that. So I fail to understand why people are so clueless about dogs. I am, in effect, making my dog powerless to defend herself by muzzling. Yet on almost every walk, she is jumped by a loose dog, threatened or assaulted by some stranger, harassed by teens, bumped with bikes or has things thrown at her from passing cars. And yes I do make every effort to defend her, and yes we have tried walking at 4 am.
Personally, I would love to start smacking people.

Shepherdmom, I'm glad your boy has a pal and I hope it does help him.
05-17-2014 02:41 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Sabis mom View Post
Shadow has issues. I've said that before. She was attacked as a pup by loose dogs, I was bitten as well. It's a neighborhood issue, so she isn't great with strange dogs and especially strange dogs who charge at her.
I suspect as a result of poor eyesight she also isn't fond of random touching, and we do work on it. When she leaves the yard for our walks, she is muzzled. I do speak to people, and I do expect that my boundaries be respected. I live on the border of a busy residential/commercial area and an industrial park.
I do not expect people to stop their lives for us, but I do expect them to display common sense and decency. I get comments about the muzzle but more often the weirdos around here seem to see it as a challenge. My dog is in control, behaving and all we ask is to be left alone. I will happily clear her off the sidewalk and put her in a sit to allow people to pass if need be. Sadly they often follow, which leaves me 'punishing' my now frightened dog by issuing corrections.
Skittish horses wear ribbons on their tails to warn of a potential kick if approached and I have never seen anyone disregard that. So I fail to understand why people are so clueless about dogs. I am, in effect, making my dog powerless to defend herself by muzzling. Yet on almost every walk, she is jumped by a loose dog, threatened or assaulted by some stranger, harassed by teens, bumped with bikes or has things thrown at her from passing cars. And yes I do make every effort to defend her, and yes we have tried walking at 4 am.
Personally, I would love to start smacking people.

Shepherdmom, I'm glad your boy has a pal and I hope it does help him.
I am so sorry you're having to deal with "the ignorant and the lame!" You can't go around smacking them all..you'll hurt your arm from overuse!

I would look here:
Leerburg | Who Pets Your Puppy or Dog

It's what I did with my people aggressive GSD.

Couple of observations... don't like the sit and wait for people to pass thing, sometimes you have to depends on the situation but as a general policy, not what I would do. It' would be preferable to just keep moving..."nothing to see here dog move alone" dog learns that people of are no consequences. If you make the dog "sit" when people approach...dog thinks (in my opinion) people are coming I have to "do" something??

I did this it does work! You'll be able to "read" your dog and you'll be able to drop the muzzle, because you will "know" what he looks like when he is OK.

The muzzle is (a red flag) to morons having the dog sit is another, so those two things are drawing out the stupid and the lame!

I used a Blk fabric muzzle on a Blk GSD, it's "not" as secure as a "real muzzle" but it worked for me. It was used as "back up" first line of defense was me!!

Don't know your circumstances your dog are where you live but...maybe once a week you could just walk your dog someplace else a less "A Hole" filled environment?

Good luck and you need to do whatever works for you and your dog, these are just my observations.
05-17-2014 02:25 PM
Blanketback
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Originally Posted by Sabis mom View Post
I do not expect people to stop their lives for us, but I do expect them to display common sense and decency.

Personally, I would love to start smacking people.
I must be much older than you, lol - I don't expect anything anymore. I did once upon a time, but now that I'm old and jaded I've given up. People will be pushy jerks - I've come to accept this. I'd like to smack them too, BTW
05-17-2014 01:25 PM
Sabis mom Shadow has issues. I've said that before. She was attacked as a pup by loose dogs, I was bitten as well. It's a neighborhood issue, so she isn't great with strange dogs and especially strange dogs who charge at her.
I suspect as a result of poor eyesight she also isn't fond of random touching, and we do work on it. When she leaves the yard for our walks, she is muzzled. I do speak to people, and I do expect that my boundaries be respected. I live on the border of a busy residential/commercial area and an industrial park.
I do not expect people to stop their lives for us, but I do expect them to display common sense and decency. I get comments about the muzzle but more often the weirdos around here seem to see it as a challenge. My dog is in control, behaving and all we ask is to be left alone. I will happily clear her off the sidewalk and put her in a sit to allow people to pass if need be. Sadly they often follow, which leaves me 'punishing' my now frightened dog by issuing corrections.
Skittish horses wear ribbons on their tails to warn of a potential kick if approached and I have never seen anyone disregard that. So I fail to understand why people are so clueless about dogs. I am, in effect, making my dog powerless to defend herself by muzzling. Yet on almost every walk, she is jumped by a loose dog, threatened or assaulted by some stranger, harassed by teens, bumped with bikes or has things thrown at her from passing cars. And yes I do make every effort to defend her, and yes we have tried walking at 4 am.
Personally, I would love to start smacking people.

Shepherdmom, I'm glad your boy has a pal and I hope it does help him.
05-17-2014 01:04 PM
Blanketback I've had dogs that needed their environment managed, but I never thought of it as a "bubble" problem. I just figured that it would be easier on me and my dogs if we weren't surrounded by the things that got them going, and I'd avoid those things. If it meant walking my DA dog at 2am, then that was fine with me. Not going to parks on a Sat. with my child-unfriendly GSD was fine too, for example. I didn't muzzle them - I just didn't let them interact with their triggers, and gradually got them used to them slowly, to the point that they could ignore them. That was my goal.

IME, people (in general) don't respect any dog's space so if my dog needs some, then I avoid people, lol. It's much easier this way, for me. I was at the vet's with my pup this week and a lady had her little dog on a flexi while I was settling up my bill. Her dog came around the corner and met mine without her seeing what her dog was up to, then when she saw my dog she was freaked out said her dog was afraid of big dogs. Oh well, then maybe you should lock the flexi to the point that you can see where your dog is? Or admit that you have a problem with big dogs that you're projecting onto your dog, since they're fine together? I didn't understand what she wanted from me - my dog was on a 6' leash. Hers was on a 20' cord, out of her sight? LOL!!!
05-17-2014 10:48 AM
shepherdmom
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Originally Posted by Gwenhwyfair View Post
I hope so to. It sounds like from your posts in this and the other thread you really are making an effort to help your dogs be good citizens. Kudos for that too!
Hubby and I try. As our dogs come from rescue/shelter situations they come with baggage. We've tried to fix or at least modify those issues so that they can function. Dude is turning out to be the biggest project yet. It's nature vrs. nurture and I really don't think I realized how much genetics do make a difference. I thought since I got him so young I could teach him to be friendly and I'm not giving up but wow... every step forward means two steps back.
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