|05-17-2014 07:26 PM|
YES YES wyoung...I'm ok with the alert...I'm thrilled with the alert. It's just as you said though I'd like the barking to stop after I've given an "ok" or relax or something.
and it has to be the yard and the house for the most part...my best friend and I took the dogs to the dog park today ( we frequent this park)..and roxy will approach people with caution but she doesn't bark at them or get all bent out of shape like she does when they come in our house...I guess too that's kind of normal behavior????
the one good thing about the bark....the politicians will NOT come to our door! One did and Roxy was in the front room window barking like she was going to have her for lunch......my daughter answered the door and said the lady was clear out in the grass looking up at the window.....I said..."she smells lies" ...and that was the end of political visitors! YAY ROXY!!
|05-14-2014 02:18 PM|
LF I agree with most of what you're saying. I prefer Eugene to alert when people come to the door or property. I'd just like him to settle when it's a guest I invite inside and I tell him this person is okay. He doesn't bark incessantly but he's obviously very uncomfortable and will let a random bark or growl out from time to time. I could just crate him and I do when it's a delivery man or someone I don't consider to be a guest.
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|05-14-2014 02:01 PM|
Longfisher-I think the "issue" isn't an issue in the sense that OP doesn't want the dog to bark with a disturbance, it's more wanting to settle when they say so. I had the same problem. I WANT that alert. I want to know when something is off on my property and encourage the alert. However, I also want Titan to listen when I have checked the "threat" and be quiet. There isn't a need to carry on unless the threat is persistent. It is also mildly annoying/embarassing to have a dog, with great protective instinct, not shut up while you have friends over for dinner or a football game. Titan would persist for upwards of 20-30 minutes if I crated him while the guests came in and settled. He never quit... ever. I would like, as I'm sure the OP would, to have a dog that will alert, stranger or not, then settle when told so. It makes for unpleasant dinner parties :P If he were totally out of control he would be crated in another room.
So there isn't an issue with the alert, the is really is the lack of listening to the "enough" or quiet command.
|05-14-2014 01:39 PM|
One thing you might try...
...there are a couple of very interested young people on our street who want to interact with my GSD. And, they were fearful of him initially as he reacts territorially to folks who knock on the door. Seems that once he gets his dander up on hearing the knock he's pretty wired for a while. So, it's hard to make young folks comfortable with him.
So, to introduce him to these children I first take him off his own properly and go to their homes. Then I walk my GSD in front of their home back and forth until he's settled in about the setting. Then I ask the child to come out and stand about 20 feet away and chat with me about meaningless things for a couple of minutes to assure the dog that I'm comfortable with them.
Then I tell them that I'm going to walk the dog back and forth a couple of times and that I want them to fall in abreast of me to my right (dog at heel on left) so that we can walk and talk together. But their position is important. They must be on my right opposite of the dog.
In that fashion, I can appear to the dog to be guarding them. And, I watch him carefully for any reactions other than just obedience to the close heel. After about two minutes my GSD seems completely at ease with them and slowly approach them when we stop to sniff. Then he rather loses interest in them and sniffs elsewhere.
I've never had a problem using this approach. And, for the two kids that have an interest in my GSD I then turn the leash over to them and we trade places which allows them to walk him. He's perfect on that so far.
Lastly, I let them walk him alone. Again, he's perfect on that, so far.
|05-14-2014 01:29 PM|
Where's the problem?
I guess I have a different take on this "problem". And, that is where's the problem?
For us, at least, we want our male, intact GSD to be territorial and to protect not only the people who live here, but also, the property if we're not here. So, over the past about 19 months of my GSDs stay here we've trained him to bark at any disturbance on the property (door bell, knock, sound of footfalls on the bull rock drainage, talking, laughing, etc.) And, we want him to be suspicious of strangers, particularly those who we might meet and who might accost us on the street.
Actually, it wasn't all that easy to train him to do these things as he came from a breeder who championed even, easy to get along personalities in her dogs. So, he defends with some reluctance still and is often looking to me for encouragement if he starts barking at someone.
We just don't let others come in the house until he's crated (he goes to crate immediately on command). And, we don't allow anyone to come into the back yard without first putting him in his outside pen.
On the street, we as aggressively as needed dissuade people from trying to pet him or interact with him in any way. But I'll admit that he's come to know a couple of neighbors, generally men, that he seems to like a good bit and I'm not perfect in enforcing that rule with them.
For us what you're describing is precisely what we'd have wanted our GSD to do without having to do any training. Just another point of view on the topic.
Oh, my GSD also has a few things about people that seem to put him off. Tatoos, piercings, cowboy hats (although he's cool with baseball hats and other types), a person carrying a yard tool or skateboard, two unfamiliar people at a time approaching him, anyone walking or riding a bike or jogging up behind him, especially in the dark and quick movements (once a young girl wanted to approach him but threw her backpack down to do so scaring the dog).
|05-14-2014 01:29 PM|
We usually put him in a sit and let him bark while we walk the guest up to him. As long as I'm with the guest and the guest isn't walking towards me he doesn't see them as a threat. I also think it's important that anyone who is a regular visitor, even if rarely, that you want your dog to be nice to should interact with him and play, not just give treats. If they just absently pet them while the dog is trying to get them to play I don't think that is doing a bit of good for anyone.
As far as strangers.... I let him go. I don't like people knocking on my door and if anyone has any intention of harm or future harm I let Gunther make it perfectly clear that they aren't getting into the house without permission.
|05-14-2014 01:17 PM|
I do the same thing as wyoung2153. We very rarely have house guest so Eugene just isn't use to strangers being in the house and he's not comfortable with it. I try to meet them outside and have the introduction on the sidewalk and let him get comfortable with the guest there. Then we go in the house and generally he still barks but not like he does when someone knocks and comes through the door. I keep him on leash the entire time the visitor is there. He'll bark a couple of times but then he'll settle down. I treat him when he's calm and have the guest give him treats too. Sometimes, depending on who the guest is, we'll go outside and play ball for a bit to make it a fun positive experience for him. Again when we go back in he's leashed and with me the whole time and treated/praised for being calm. Strangers knocking on the door is still a work in progress I hope that helps!
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|05-14-2014 12:26 PM|
|wyoung2153||No problem I know exactly what you are going through and it is very frustrating. Hope I was able to help!|
|05-14-2014 10:09 AM|
thank you again for taking time to help me out. OH I am totally afraid of finding that "one" person that would prove me wrong. I have noticed guys with hats on trigger more than women or guys not wearing hats. I may have to just have guys take their hats off or show them to her or something.
I always think about that part in Uncle Buck ( the movie)..."do you think it's the hat?" "some people hate this hat"...
And when we walk the river front...people on bikes go by ..no response.. MOST people walk by with no response..but she is reactive to strollers. No bikes, not skateboards, no roller blades..but strollers. ??? And she doesn't try to attack them or anything it's just a bark and watch them till they are out of sight.
|05-13-2014 10:31 PM|
I'm with you.. but you just never know. Titan has always been this way when he greets people and had started getting more "aggressive" in his approaches. If that makes sense? fully my fault for getting complacent with him (he won't hurt anyone, I THINK. Because you really just never know) He wouldn't do anything when he did finally get to them, he would jump up near them and bark and go nuts and try to find a ball to bring them... but the approaching was the first thing to warn me and I needed to reign that back in. Even though he never did anything I was still giving him the control in meeting the person and he was taking charge, sometimes being more in their face vocal than I care to admit. I needed to reign him in and let him know that I do the introducing around here. The introductions work SO much better on every level for us. And well... always having a ball, ha.. He's all mine with that ball
You can just never be too safe and while you may be 100% confident that she won't do anything, there could always be that ONE person that she just doesn't like. Have another thread about that ONE person incident. Really caught my attention.. here it is.. long read but this is just from a "I've been in your shoes" mentality and I don't want you to go through even the one incident before you decide to reel her in..
Sorry for being thread share happy. I learn best form others experiences, so I tend to share that way.
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