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05-20-2014 06:37 PM
Gwenhwyfair LOL! That would work too!

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I want a "my owner has a CC license" patch


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05-20-2014 06:04 PM
Thewretched I want a "my owner has a CC license" patch


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05-20-2014 05:31 PM
Gwenhwyfair or....just a friendly warning.


05-20-2014 05:22 PM
Gwenhwyfair Well if you are following this closely there's no rules except for when there are rules.

But don't tell anyone.

I still think they should use tactical K9 logos to back people off.....



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I have always been taught to leave service dogs alone, as they are working. But if there is nothing identifying them as a service dog, then how do I know that I should not walk up to someone, complement their dog, and ask if I can pet the dog?

Or, should I just get my own dog?
05-20-2014 05:19 PM
selzer I have always been taught to leave service dogs alone, as they are working. But if there is nothing identifying them as a service dog, then how do I know that I should not walk up to someone, complement their dog, and ask if I can pet the dog?

Or, should I just get my own dog?
05-20-2014 05:15 PM
Gwenhwyfair Aw man, Paul logged off.

I was hoping he would edumicate me on how this is such an important civil right:

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Quite a few use "odd" colors like pink, purple, green, etc. Or have a bunch of different colors so their dog wouldn't clash with their own outfits, etc. Or they use school colors if they are in college/high school or are a teacher.
05-20-2014 05:13 PM
Gwenhwyfair Yeah, rather then blasting on to this board and trying to throw your weight around, Paul you might want to look at the foundations of the argument here.

Since you're a PhD I'm assuming you know an argument to authority is a fallacy but then given the swearing and concern for matching outfits, maybe not. Perhaps you should be lecturing your facebook service dog peeps on the importance of how serious service dogs should be treated, by everyone.
05-20-2014 05:04 PM
Gwenhwyfair You and your facebook friend have certainly converted me from an advocate to an adversary on this topic.

So go ahead, keep swearing, demeaning and pontificating, it just makes me all the more convinced that the service dog community is unprofessional, not serious, unfairly demanding and uncaring about working with others to achieve common goals.
05-20-2014 04:52 PM
Gwenhwyfair Here ya go "Professor Paul".

This is what all the brew-ha-ha is about.

Being a man of higher learning I'm sure you can agree that outfits clashing with a working dog gear is real problem.

Civil rights in the modern age. I'm sure Dr. Martin Luther King would approve.

The thing is, I was nice about that comment at first. Didn't really highlight how ridiculous it is and until I get attacked and someone swearing a blue streak in his very first post on this board.

btw, in case you didn't notice your pseudo swearing was edited by a moderator.

FWIW some business owners are thinking a way to resolve this is to video anyone who comes in with a dog. That way if the dog fails (that means doesn't display proper OB) the poor business owner will have some objective evidence with which to protect himself from frivolous law suits.




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I didn't think you were criticizing... So no worries. I'm on a couple service dog groups on Facebook, and this subject of regulating colors, either of specific disabilities get specific colors or "all service dogs get this color", and the overwhelming majority of service dog handlers said they did not want that. Quite a few use "odd" colors like pink, purple, green, etc. Or have a bunch of different colors so their dog wouldn't clash with their own outfits, etc. Or they use school colors if they are in college/high school or are a teacher.

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05-20-2014 04:36 PM
Dr. Paul G. tes
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Originally Posted by Gwenhwyfair View Post
Someone from facebook I presume.

This thread really wasn't meant to be about the rights of disabled persons.

Also pseudo swearing is not allowed on this board "professor". I'm sure with your education you are much better able to make your point,

There is a more appropriate thread going right now but the discussion pertains to Service Dogs, not civil rights as a whole since that treads into the political arena.
Do not worry, I never do ANYTHING half way. There was no pseudo anything when I hit that button. The web site software censored me, and then I presume a moderator edited me. What you see now was the nice (sic) version of what I typed.

Oh? We're NOT talking about the civil rights of the disabled? What are we talking about?

--- Vests and Patches and other form of "Mandatory Garments" and "Uniform Colors" for people who are different in some way.

--- Educating people who are different in some way about how THEY should act and behave and what they should wear and by logical extension, what they should say or even THINK.

I personally love German Shepherds. I love my Service Dog, I do "tell" people that she is a service dog IF they ask when I am out in public, but most of the time I get comments like "She's Beautiful." and I say quickly "Thank You." and then give my SD the command 'Laufen' ('Walk on') ... but the suggestions coming out of this thread on this subject are right out of 1938 Berlin.

How about we not try to dictate how the Disabled are to act, or what they wear, but instead, for the people here who made one of these "trying to be helpful but said something totally offensive and discriminatory" suggestions: try and look at it in another way...

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Try having this conversation the next time you are approached while you are being accompanied by your Service Dog in public.

"Before you can pet (her/him) I have to ask you a question, ok?

Imagine you're out shopping with your Service Dog and no one noticed. Would you notice?

Now I'm going to ask the same question again with two words changed.

Imagine you're out shopping with your Eye Glasses and no one noticed. Would you notice?

Why should your answer be different for the two questions?

Try it with different words: Hearing Aide, Insulin Pump, Pace Maker, Walking Stick, Crutches, Prosthetic Arm/Leg/Eye, Wheel Chair... [if it's been a particularly difficult day, you could also add the words 'Differently Colored Skin,' that generally gets a LOT of attention!]

If your answer to using any of those words is different... then no, you may not pet or distract my Service Dog."
Kids in grade school notice other kids with glasses, with wheelchairs, with prosthetic limbs, but they are taught early on that segregating or picking on or even stareing at that other child who is (and I use the P.C. term they use in schools) "Differently Abled" is unacceptable, by teachers and even other students.

My experiment above is to see how viral the circle of reinforcement of this "behavior modification training" is in the general public, by equating the Service Dog mentally with "Disability" instead of with "Fido in the back yard" which is what most people have experience with.

-DrPaul
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