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05-11-2014 12:16 PM
Baillif Just for clarification creative... wasn't meant to sound so menacing...or was it?
05-11-2014 12:07 PM
And that's when stuff gets creative...
And not to sound like a jerk.. That's were two ball can be a handy tool!

I actually love Ivan stuff.. but like any training/method/theory, it's not for every dog..
05-11-2014 11:53 AM
Baillif Don't correct too harshly
05-11-2014 11:52 AM
simba405 I don't think you can just correct every dog to out. Some will just want to quit playing if corrected too harshly. I'm sure others you can abuse and they still won't out (especially if the dog doesn't really know you)
05-11-2014 11:52 AM
Baillif And that's when stuff gets creative...
05-11-2014 11:49 AM
G-burg Oh no I can assure he did.. Nothing no other top level trainer/competitor doesn't already do if needed.. But since you mentioned "the Game" that's what I was referring too.. And I will say it again... It doesn't always work..

I can also assure you that hard corrections/force on some dogs can fail in training too!
05-11-2014 11:45 AM
Baillif Ivan has a very very clear way to fix that let me assure you. Might not have shown it during a seminar though and you can probably guess why.
05-11-2014 11:39 AM
G-burg Well, if you're nagging, nagging, nagging, nagging and the dogs not outing.. And it's creating other behaviors or the dog is clamping done harder then what else is one to think? And just to clarify I've been to a couple of Ivan seminars.. and seen it not work there..
05-11-2014 11:36 AM
Baillif Not to sound like a jerk or anything but what makes you so sure when you see it that the game is the problem?
05-11-2014 11:31 AM
G-burg Well, haven't watched your Frisbee video.

Just saying that "The Game" that you were referring too doesn't always work with shepherds!
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