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05-02-2014 01:59 PM
Kaimeju
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Originally Posted by hvtopiwala View Post
the ruffwear harness looks great! yeah, i dont want to correct him or do anything to make him freak out more. with the Halti, when he tries to bolt he gets even more scared and terrified cuz he is being restricted...somewhat of the same reaction with the prong collar, but not as bad since hes used to it. the fear i have with front clip harnesses is that it will spin him around so he is facing me when he tries to bolt, and hes going to see it as a form of me restricting him from his "natural fear run". am i just delusional or is there possibly any fact to that haha

with that said, i am thinking either the ruffwear harness or the freedom no pull harness would be the best bet unless u guys disagree.
I am thinking another thing you could try out (in a SAFE controlled environment) is a bungee leash. This would not prevent him from bolting, but it would cushion the blow so to speak so that a.) he is slowed down and comes to a stop instead of being jolted and b.) your poor arm isn't torn out of its socket. We use a bungee rig for hiking sometimes (and skijoring) and it is way more comfortable. I would use this in conjunction with a solid harness.
05-02-2014 01:39 PM
hvtopiwala the ruffwear harness looks great! yeah, i dont want to correct him or do anything to make him freak out more. with the Halti, when he tries to bolt he gets even more scared and terrified cuz he is being restricted...somewhat of the same reaction with the prong collar, but not as bad since hes used to it. the fear i have with front clip harnesses is that it will spin him around so he is facing me when he tries to bolt, and hes going to see it as a form of me restricting him from his "natural fear run". am i just delusional or is there possibly any fact to that haha

with that said, i am thinking either the ruffwear harness or the freedom no pull harness would be the best bet unless u guys disagree.
05-02-2014 01:06 PM
sabledog3 You could get a front clip harness, like sensation, and use a carabiner to clip it to the collar. This way the dog can't get out of it and you can have more control while walking with out scaring or hurting them.
05-02-2014 12:33 PM
Liesje Gotcha, I didn't realize he had other health issues.

When I had a fearful dog, I used a Ruffwear harness. It's a bit harder to put on than some harnesses, but there was no WAY she could ever jump, bolt, or back out of that harness and it was well made and comfortable. She was not as bad as your dog sounds, but every once in a while something would spook her so any time we went somewhere completely new or my husband was handling her, she would usually wear this harness. It was not a "corrective" harness or training tool that corrects or pinches the dog, so it won't help with that, but when a dog is having such a fearful reaction I think the dog is too over-threshold for training at that moment anyway, you just need something to keep him safely attached to a leash.


05-02-2014 11:39 AM
hvtopiwala i agree 100% with no using the prong collar on him, as he is definitely feeling like he is getting punished when he is reacting. what do you think of this: Freedom Harness or is that considered punishing for his reactiveness as well?

also, yeah we have tried medication, and he was starting to get better but with his liver shunts the medication was destroying him so we had stopped them immediately which returned his liver count back to normal. i followed the links posted, and i am looking into the Bach Flower remedies as well, as i am willing to try anything to help him.
05-01-2014 04:09 PM
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05-01-2014 04:07 PM
Merciel I prefer the Freedom Harness over the EasyWalk because it is generally more secure (I've never had a dog slip out of the Freedom Harness, but I've had a couple get loose from the EasyWalk). That said, I've used both with good success for my fearful dog Pongu, who also used to bolt in terror from trucks/people/plastic bags/everything on earth.

I would not use a prong or other aversive device for a fearful dog. It's just going to make things worse by adding pain to the terror that the dog is already experiencing, which is the complete opposite of what you should be trying to accomplish.
05-01-2014 04:00 PM
MaggieRoseLee Not sure if you tried the Gentle Leader no pull HARNESS yet? That will at least give you some control as you head to the house.


05-01-2014 03:33 PM
Liesje I don't know that I'd use a prong or any sort of self-correcting device (halti, GL, etc) for a dog like this. The last thing you want is he bolts and then gets pinched or yanked funny at the same time. These devices are meant for *training*, not to contain a dog that's in "fight or flight" mode. I would use a martingale style collar or strong harness he can't get out of, these will be safer on him if he bolts and hits the end of the line hard.

Have you considering trying medication for him? For a dog that cannot even go out to pee without hurting himself, I would definitely consider that route.
05-01-2014 12:28 PM
Blanketback When I had dogs in the city that had issues, I used to walk them at very odd hours, to get them used to things in baby steps. It was much more enjoyable and peaceful for us this way. Have you tried that?
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