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05-11-2014 04:42 PM
Amurphy26 Well done! Like gsdsar, I'm also really pleased for you. The effect of losing a dog can't be underestimated but both you and shadow will come out of this stronger than ever. Let us know how you get on.


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05-11-2014 02:19 PM
gsdsar
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Originally Posted by Sabis mom View Post
So, I have carefully read through all of the advice, watched some videos, read some books, done some soul searching and moved forward.
When Sabi died, I backed away and so did Shadow. Sounds funny to say a dog is grieving but both of mine are, and so am I. This has caused a huge disconnect between all of us, but especially between Shadow and I.
There is a massive difference between a pet relationship and a partner relationship, and that is something I need to come to terms with, it's my problem not Shadows.
We are working on her recall, with a new command, and have also been drilling on out and leave it while tracking. Aside from that we went back to my puppy 101 and have been working on attention, following directional changes and rewards for checking in. The Frisbee has been relegated to end of training release.
Dusted off the long line and we are making use of that as well.
She is progressing and thrilled with the attention. I have been in touch with Lou Castle, and will be moving forward with that as well. He pinpointed exactly where I screwed up and explained how to fix it.

Thanks for the help.

This makes me very happy to read. You and Shadow will be better in the long run!!! I am glad you were willing to take stock, listen to advise(good and bad) and move forward!! Sometimes we don't have the dog we want, but we get the dog we need. Look forward to hearing of you progression as a team.


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05-11-2014 02:13 PM
Sabis mom
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So, I have carefully read through all of the advice, watched some videos, read some books, done some soul searching and moved forward.
When Sabi died, I backed away and so did Shadow. Sounds funny to say a dog is grieving but both of mine are, and so am I. This has caused a huge disconnect between all of us, but especially between Shadow and I.
There is a massive difference between a pet relationship and a partner relationship, and that is something I need to come to terms with, it's my problem not Shadows.
We are working on her recall, with a new command, and have also been drilling on out and leave it while tracking. Aside from that we went back to my puppy 101 and have been working on attention, following directional changes and rewards for checking in. The Frisbee has been relegated to end of training release.
Dusted off the long line and we are making use of that as well.
She is progressing and thrilled with the attention. I have been in touch with Lou Castle, and will be moving forward with that as well. He pinpointed exactly where I screwed up and explained how to fix it.

Thanks for the help.
05-04-2014 06:23 PM
Amurphy26 You've not given up on her so you've not failed her. If you're grieving for your other dog it's bound to make everything with Shadow more frustrating.

Try not to be so hard on yourself. You obviously love your dog.


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05-04-2014 06:00 PM
Sabis mom I am looking for the book. Thank you.

She makes me feel like I failed her.
05-04-2014 05:36 PM
Amurphy26 That books really good. It builds a command in to stop the chase. It doesn't eliminate the behaviour so it should still be good for tracking. She will still take off after any rabbit or bird that gets in her path but she now has a command I use to stop her. It's not a harsh method so she still enjoys a good chase.


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05-04-2014 05:31 PM
Sabis mom I guess she isn't missing out, except that she loves to run and even my large yard isn't much room. I have a 20 foot line that I use when we hike, or when we are tracking.
Because I want her to track, I don't want to discourage following her nose I just need her to understand that she needs to hear me and not just romp off into the bush whenever she likes.

I am trying to find a balance, I want to channel her natural drives not destroy them.
05-04-2014 05:22 PM
Amurphy26 I was having problems with my 18mth bitch. She has other dog issues but I always felt she wasn't really that fussed about me. She rarely made eye contact and I think she bonded more to our older dog than us.
Anyway, a trainer suggested I try teaching her to 'watch'. I started by holding her ball (she's ball obsessed) out in my right and not throwing it till she looked at me. At first I took a quick glance from her or even just moving her head towards me and then I started asking for direct eye contact and building the length of time she looked at me. I don't think she was as independent as Shadow is but encouraging eye contact has made a massive difference. She has to look directly at me before she does anything, eats, gets off the lead, gets her toys, walks in to the house. She is a lot more focused on me when we're out.
Also, my dogs a chaser. She'll go after anything which can be a problem with recall. I used David Ryan's book, 'Stop! How to control predatory chasing in Dogs'. It's the second time I've used his methods and have had brilliant results. As your dog is frisbee obsessed it might work with your tracking problem.

Good luck.


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05-04-2014 05:15 PM
Liesje How important is the recall? Is she missing out because she can't be trusted off leash?

Those may sound like dumb questions, but I also have a dog (adopted at 1.5 years old, now going on 8 years) with NO off leash recall (his recall is great on leash, but he's super leash-smart) who is NEVER off leash unless it's a fenced area I'm familiar with (I am positive he can't get out). I say this as someone who has trained and titled many dogs in many venues. I don't consider myself or my dog a failure. He also has zero drive for toys of any kind (not even fetch or frisbees), he's very social and loves people and dogs but is a softer dog, no drive to train/work, just a very happy, lazy, laid back dog. I don't really stress the issue of recall since given his history of blowing us off, I'd never trust him off leash anyway. I have nothing to prove with this dog. He's perfectly happy going on leash walks or being on a long line if we're in the woods or at a new place. We have a few fenced parks where he can run free for a while and play with other dogs. He's been through many training classes including agility and earning his CGC twice. I wouldn't say I've "given up" on his recall, I just don't think it's a priority anymore. Like I said, I'd never trust him anyway. My job is to keep him happy and *safe*. I don't NEED to be able to cut this dog loose, he doesn't care whether he's hiking on a 15' leash or off leash. He doesn't engage with people using toys or traditional training methods, but he is a very sweet, social dog and people-oriented. Despite his lack of titles compared to my competition dogs, he is my heart dog.
05-04-2014 05:14 PM
Sabis mom
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Originally Posted by David Winners View Post
I'm certainly not saying you can't use the frisbee. I think that this dog needs engagement work more than anything. There is a disconnect between you and the way to move forward is by closing that gap.

If the dog lives for the frisbee, that's a good reward, but the interaction with you should be if higher value eventually.

It's not the specific reward that is of the most importance, but how that reward is implemented.

David Winners
Thanks for clarifying! I do try to get her to connect with me, she is improving, she just doesn't seem to really care for people. That's what brought this to a head, my other dog died and without her I have lost the ability to communicate with Shadow it seems. When I came home without Sabi, Shadow withdrew and I was too upset to help her. Now I need to repair the damage I did being selfish.
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