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04-30-2014 10:30 AM
wolfy dog The anal fistulas are just the symptom of something much bigger. It is an auto immune disease. My vet has seen fistulas that were 10 inches long. They are constructed by the body to drain off pus. Dogs are masters in hiding their pain. My new pup is related to WD and I knew I took the chance since there can be a genetic component. But I went for this amazing temperament in these lines. He is the picture of health (besides the Pano) and it is a relief to see consistent poop and never any form of infection or parasites. If he were to develop AFs, I would not let him suffer as long as WD because if it is auto immune, you are fighting a losing battle.
04-30-2014 09:26 AM
Michelle_loher Yes we have tried hills diet, raw diet, cooked chicken diet, venison diet, you name it we have tried it. The money is not a problem. If he needed surgery or a new heart we would pay for it. My parents are very generous and make enough to be that way. He is not in pain and that's the hardest part of all this. He'll oy "cry" when he's trying to poop. The "leaking" isn't hurting him any. We have taken him to a specialist and they said he's as good as he's going to get and will start to decrease in a year. That's when we will make the decision. It's been about 6 months and he's leaking all over the house, tried to poop for an hour and cried that is why my mom called me. I'm with him now and he seems totally fine other than leaking all over.
04-30-2014 07:26 AM
JakodaCD OA I also agree with Nancy, quality of life is major. If he's in constant pain, which it sounds like he may be, especially trying to potty, has alot of health issues going on, that can't be addressed or afford..sometimes it's best to put them out of their pain

I think you need to really find a good vet/specialist that can go over him, figure out ALL his issues, start addressing them,,
04-30-2014 06:27 AM
NancyJ I would really get a feeling for his quality of life. It is not bad to let a dog go if it is his time. You also have to consider your parents and it sounds like they are doing a lot of what they can. My guy with PFs had a lot of allergies and was prone to bacterial overgrowths with bloody mucousy stools. It may be (ask the vet) that a combination of Flagyl, probiotics, digestive enzymes, and the appropriate fiber additive may help with that. I hope you can get on the PF-L list as it really has folks who have dealt with this long term.

Have you given him a run on Hills Z/D food? It is designed for dogs with allergies (so common with dogs with PF) and may buy you some time to figure out ...... mine with the condition could not tolerate chicken and once we cleared that from HIS diet, things got a lot better.
04-29-2014 11:52 PM
Michelle_loher Thank you everyone. I am back in Chicago right now with him. I will be up here
For a few weeks to try and clear this all up once and for all. He does have good allergies, and alot of health problems. I posted this on my
Phone and who ever moved this to the health page- thank you! I am not familiar with working these "forums." Thank you.
Another "side note," he doesn't seem to be able to control his poop, watery diarrhea, he has no control over umm passing gas and having poop come out. Thoughts?
04-29-2014 07:39 PM
NancyJ I had one with PFs in 2005 (ish) and the help I got from that group saved me from a bumbling vet and gave my dog several years of comfort and remission. That site and the support groups is invaluable. I can't give advice now because they have learned a lot more than when I dealt with it. .......... wishing you some resolution and comfort for your great dog. EDIT, Oh one thing we did do was give him a fiber supplement (I think unflavored metamucil) that made the stool soft but held it together for him and made pooping so much more comfortable while retaining control. I am sure there is advice on that as well there.
04-29-2014 07:33 PM
wolfy dog
Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA View Post
absolutely, the majority of dogs with true PF Disease (not caused by anal gland issues) also have other issues, epi, allergies, sibo, etc.
True, WD was only 1 year old and looking back he had so many infections. As an 11 week old pup he had two bladder infections that were hard to clear up, Demodectic mites, Giardia, diarrhea daily, a nasty dog odor, yeast leasions and then the oozing of pus out of his peri anal area and the pain with defecating.
I broke down in Petco when I was shopping for a muzzle so I could treat him. he was always such a great dog and this AFs thing was making him aggressive.
I am wishing you much strength and peace for your dog.
04-29-2014 07:00 PM
JakodaCD OA absolutely, the majority of dogs with true PF Disease (not caused by anal gland issues) also have other issues, epi, allergies, sibo, etc.
04-29-2014 06:55 PM
wolfy dog WD suffered from the AFs. he had all the same symptoms and was in a lot of pain. I tried just about everything and finally decided to end his misery when three great independent vets didn't see a healthy future for him. It was devastating and I am hurting for you. That was last year and I never regretted it but it was the toughest thing I had to do in my life. Please do not let him suffer too long if there is no hope.
04-29-2014 06:51 PM
RebelGSD Couldn't this dog have EPI (exocrin pancreating insufficiency) in addition to the PF. Loose stools, eating poop, weight loss. I would check that out before putting him to sleep. EPI can be managed.
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