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04-28-2014 09:40 PM
What human emotions do dogs express and not express?

Personally, I think dogs do feel pride...which I believe helps with the positive training practices....they enjoy the praise and know they will get a repeat if they follow through with the command. I don't think they feel the same kind of pride that humans do...but their own version of pride.

Our Millie...will get jealous. If we are praising Miles, or he walks over to be loved...when she sees him getting rubs she will come over, chest bump him out of the way and try to hog the rubs, we push her back and make her wait until we pet Miles. If Miles is getting praise....she will come in, look at who's praising, look at Miles...repeat this a couple of times and them try to again...steal the floor. She is definitely the more outgoing, attention demanding diva....Miles is very laid back and can ignore most of her antics.

Obnoxious, trouble maker, spoiled diva brat...if miles is playing with a toy, she will try to get him to show her attention...if he doesn't she will take his you...he will go to the basket and get another....she takes that one...she will repeat this until he is out of toys at which time she will grab his back leg and tug on it until he gives her the chase she is bugging him for....

Stubborn...Millie and Miles both have their obedience down...they listen to commands and don't challenge us when we give a command....with the exception of meds....Millie will spit her preventive pill out, we give it to her again...she will hack and cough until she spits it up again...ear cream-she will hide behind the sofa and peek over the top, we don't let her get away with it and when we go to get her to push her into the kitchen...she goes dead weight...Miles if he knows it is time for anything having to do with ear cleaning will hide behind the drapes and thinks we can't see his tail...the difference if we say...miles...with a different tone...he slowly and poutingly makes his way to us...where Millie will dead weight when she does not want to have her ears cleaned or wiped out.

I do think they have a longer memory than we think they do...the lady at the vets office took a fecal sample when Miles was a year old....from that time to now at 17 months old...whenever he sees this one lady...he body will spin so he faces her at all times...he will usually find a good corner to plant his butt in....sounds crazy but she has walked different directions toward him and his butt stays very clear of her..

I do think dogs have more emotions than we think they do...this comes from watching....we have two very different dogs....complete opposites...I never would have thought I would be saying this...but after seeing it...I do believe dogs are much deeper than these "studies" show...

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04-28-2014 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Zeeva View Post
IMO dogs express:

fear (Zeeva shivers during fireworks),

guilt (contrary to what many have said, I've seen ears back, slumped posture during a castigation),

happiness (zoomies before a walk when I put my tennis shoes on; tail

irritation (whining when they have to go pee or want something),

contentment (on the flip side of irritation, my two can lie around and (I think?) they're content in those moments)

curiosity and suspicion (Zeeva looks under the bed when I do),

excitement (both of mine are aware when someone new is at the door)

stubbornness (if I don't have a treat, most of the time, Smokey doesn't listen even if I ask him repeatedly),

These are the emotions that I think dogs do not express:

conscientiousness (they don't care if they will hurt your feelings by doing something wrong; they don't care how they appear to others)

pride (they don't care if they've achieved something new or gotten a title or a ribbon)

contempt (I don't think dogs have a memory long enough to hold a grudge and take revenge or even to vindicate someone)

shyness (I think some may confuse this with fear but I don't think dogs have the capacity to feel conscientious and therefore can't really feel shy either)

Any emotions you'd like to add to either of the lists? Any you'd like to take off of one list and add to the other?

Hey- just thought I would share but based on your question, I just finished reading a book you might find interesting, at first I thought the guy was CRAZY but the more I read- the more interested I became, it's called "your dog is your mirror"

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04-28-2014 07:35 PM
SuperG I think they definitely express surprise....which is listed as one of the seven basic human emotions. Although when we had a surprise first birthday party for our shepherd...her surprise from when she walked in the door, to having the lights turned on and 30 people yelling "Surprise!" turned into a carnage for the guests.....oh well, they all had health insurance...I think.

04-28-2014 07:25 PM

monkeys DO have a sense of fairness
04-27-2014 04:57 PM
Gwenhwyfair Interesting topic!

After reading the posts here I was reminded about some research that I heard discussed on the new some years ago, that dogs understand 'fairness'.

I remember thinking if they understand that concept what else do they understand or feel?

Here's some information on that study:

Friederike Range, a researcher at the University of Vienna in Austria, and her colleagues did a series of experiments with dogs who knew how to respond to the command "give the paw," or shake. The dogs were normally happy to repeatedly give the paw, whether they got a reward or not.
But that changed if they saw that another dog was being rewarded with a piece of food, while they received nothing.

"We found that the dogs hesitated significantly longer when obeying the command to give the paw," the researchers write. The unrewarded dogs eventually stopped cooperating.
Dogs Understand Fairness, Get Jealous, Study Finds : NPR
04-26-2014 09:22 PM
misslesleedavis1 Also, I hope the smart animal training article is right. I want my dogs to understand that they are safe and loved, I wouldnt mind if they loved me back

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04-26-2014 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Tattersail View Post
Hmmm, see I think they know guilt. We could come home, open the door, and our old dog would greet us with tail between the legs and licking his lips before slinking off to my bedroom. This is all before we've seen anything, or even anticipated anything because it was rare to have him do something wrong. So we were in no way giving off bad vibes or tones, but sure enough, if he was acting like that normally it was for counter surfing and grabbing the spoons or something off the counter. And we were NEVER a bully to him.
If you never let him know that he was not supposed to do that, why would he feel guilt for having done it? Being a bully does not have to mean physical abuse. It can be totally verbal depending on the dog. You do not even have to raise your voice.

If the dog associates counter surfing with a strong negative response -- which could be a verbal expression of disgust, or unexpressed irritation, or calling the dog to berate him. Is the dog feeling guilt for having been an opportunist, or is the dog feeling apprehension because of your possible reaction to his having been in the kitchen, near the garbage or counter?

Guilt is a complex emotion. It is not simply a fear of a reprisal. And it isn't just knowing that you did something wrong. I mean, most of us have traveled 5mph over the speed limit, we know it is wrong, and we do not feel guilty at all. In fact if we are pulled over for that we will be incensed. Guilt is a strong negative emotion that we carry when we are trying to hide something that we did because we don't want others to know that we did it, we don't want them to judge us for the action, we may realize how having done it effected other people, etc. Dogs are really not all that sneaky. They do not try to hide their misdeeds. They may associate their owner's home-coming to something bad sometimes. I just don't think it is guilt. Or shame. Shame is even deeper than guilt. Thinking oneself is bad because of what they have done -- I do not think dogs think that way at all.
04-26-2014 09:07 PM
misslesleedavis1 I dont know, dexter displays some very interesting behavior sometimes. He sulks ( like hides his head ) if I say "no" loudly and will not look at me for hours afterwards..he has always been like that. Dexter barks loudly when tyson is chewing something he is not supposed to then he wags his tail when I catch tyson in the act. He is in tune with us more so then the others 2, maybe its because we have had him since he was 8 weeks and the others are older rescues?. He understands everyones names, grandma, mommy, dad, jackson, brendan, evan even the other 2 dogs he will go too if we tell him too. He understand "going to the boat" because he grabs his floaty ball and gets in the van. Maybe im just having a sentimental moment but maybe someone who has a dog like that can relate.

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04-26-2014 08:53 PM
Tattersail Hmmm, see I think they know guilt. We could come home, open the door, and our old dog would greet us with tail between the legs and licking his lips before slinking off to my bedroom. This is all before we've seen anything, or even anticipated anything because it was rare to have him do something wrong. So we were in no way giving off bad vibes or tones, but sure enough, if he was acting like that normally it was for counter surfing and grabbing the spoons or something off the counter. And we were NEVER a bully to him.
04-26-2014 08:47 PM
Susan_GSD_mom This is an intriguing topic, great question! I'll have to think about this a bit...
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