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04-22-2014 11:21 PM
ZoeD1217 They are incredibly cute. Both pups and girls. Sorry about little mocha

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04-22-2014 11:13 PM
selzer Thanks, the girls named them.

The boy is Mufassa (Lion King), and the girl is Morgan for Morgan Le Fay out of the Magic Treehouse Series. I told them the letter had to be "M."

I am sorry Bridget, it is horrible to lose puppies. None of them were gaining weight, and they were losing weight. I had lost the small one, while I was right there looking at her. She was sucking from her dam and seized up. Stiff. I massaged her all over and blew into her nose, and she went limp. I continued and I felt her heart beat again and she was breathing so I put her in my shirt against my skin expecting her to be dead before I could get her to an ER.

But two hours later she was still alive and nuzzling me. So I kept her in my shirt, and drove her to my vet and was there when they came in. I left her there and they warmed her and got her going good.

That night, I offered her a bottle and had her on the warm spot, and she drank good. I measured the larger pups and they lost again, so I decided to tube them. I came back from tubing the boy, and the little one was dead. I tried everything. Nothing worked. She was gone.

That night the big ones were drinking greedily at 4AM. At 7AM the girl was off by herself in the coldest spot in the box, furthest from the heat lamp. She was alive. I measured their temperatures. The boy was 95.7, the girl didn't register. I rushed them to the vet, and left them there. I got them back with instructions to tube them and keep them warm.

The one section of the box was 90 degrees. The book says that with orphans you have to keep the box around 90 degrees. The salt water packs are warm to the skin, wrapped in towels, nice to snuggle against. The heat lamp above keeps the packs warmish. And the puppies can move out of the section.

Well, it was too hot. It was evaporating all of their gain, and more. The girl was reading way high, 102 when I tested her. So I reduced the heat in the box and she came down. I tubed them. I checked them every two hours, and tubed them every four. They were not gaining weight. The next morning, I tested the temps again, and the girl who was next to her dam was reading 100, and the boy was reading 97. I knew the girl was too high. I called the vet.

They told me they were both at 100 when they gave them back to me the night before. I persisted, asking what the temp should be for baby puppies. She said she would talk to the vet. She called back to tell me the vet wanted them to have amoxicillin.

So I went and got it. I asked specifically what the temperature range I was looking for. (I knew it shouldn't be as high as it was, but I wasn't sure how fast it was supposed to increase.) The tech said 97 to 101.

I did not argue. I told her we were there, but why are we giving antibiotics? She said they were stressed. I asked if it would interfere with their immunity, she said no, that if there was a problem it would solve it. I left. I called the specialist a few hours away.

They answered my questions much differently, and they wanted to see the bitch and pups. I would have lost them both had I not taken them in. As it was, the external heat sources were the problem. He told me the antibiotics were unnecessary as there was no sign of infection. By removing them, the puppies stopped losing. It took them a couple of days to start gaining good, but they have really taken off.

Most of my litters have been in the summer, and since the house is not air conditioned, it can be 90 degrees. Once I had to cool down the dam. But the puppies do not seem to be bothered by ordinary summertime temperatures. But it seems like adding artificial heat to a room will dry them out. Or maybe we need to monitor temperature and humidity.

Anyway, the puppies took off and I am happy to see them be little tubbies now. I didn't want a repeat with what happened to Cupcake's litter, and how long it took for her to turn around. I am glad I called in the big guns and took them to where we could figure out what was wrong, instead of just treating them after they were already failing.

I might not have lost little Mocha, she was so much smaller than the others, the specialist said there was probably something wrong with her. But, I think she just dehydrated quicker, and could take the lack of gain.
04-22-2014 07:42 PM they are all so cute, look at those little butterballs nieces are adorable too.
04-22-2014 03:19 PM
Lilie What did you name the pups? Do we get to help???????
04-22-2014 02:04 PM
Originally Posted by selzer View Post
Well, that is a story for the So You Want To Be a Breeder series. The very small one did not make it, and it was heartbreaking.
Oh no, that's a shame. So sorry to hear it.
04-22-2014 01:30 PM
Bridget Very cute (the kids and the pups too)! Sorry about the other puppy. As you might remember, we lost 8 of Ashley's 9 puppies, so I have some idea how you feel.
04-22-2014 01:01 PM
holland The pups and the girls look very content sorry about the little pup
04-22-2014 12:45 PM
Originally Posted by Lilie View Post
Awwweeee.....Cuties! All four of them! Only two pups?
Well, that is a story for the So You Want To Be a Breeder series. The very small one did not make it, and it was heartbreaking.
04-22-2014 12:40 PM
Lilie Awwweeee.....Cuties! All four of them! Only two pups?
04-22-2014 12:38 PM
Courtney How exciting to hang out and hold these pups! I'm sure something to share with the class when returning from Spring Break. Adorable pics
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