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04-25-2014 11:42 PM
HansGFG
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Originally Posted by Zeeva View Post
Don't you think the resentment alone wouldn't allow for a positive start at a second chance? I don't think a second chance in this case is feasible or describable either.

I really like Freestep's post...

I made this thread http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...y-snapped.html and was surprised in that the OP isn't really alone...although the thread did ask specifically for a dog that 'snapped'...I think most of the dogs were PTS.
Like I said;This is one of those situations where a second chance is not suitable for either the dog or the owners.One because the outcome could be worse for the human and two because the second time around if the authorities get a tip on this the unfortunate may happen to the dog.I truly hope from the bottom of my heart that the next owner doesn't experience a terrible situation and the GS goes on to live a beautiful happy life!
As for the lady and her husband,I'm very very pleased that they are recovering physically and emotionally!!!!!!!
04-25-2014 01:11 PM
Zeeva
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Originally Posted by HansGFG View Post
This is a tragic story for both the owners and the dog.It seems to me like the dog had fallen for them as well and I'm also a believer of second chances in some circumstances.But in this case she was lucky her husband was there to chase the dog off.Maybe the dog snapped cause she got close to her husband,maybe not.What if next time there's another reason and he would not have been there to protect his wife?I would hate to hear the end of that story.
Don't you think the resentment alone wouldn't allow for a positive start at a second chance? I don't think a second chance in this case is feasible or describable either.

I really like Freestep's post...

I made this thread http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...y-snapped.html and was surprised in that the OP isn't really alone...although the thread did ask specifically for a dog that 'snapped'...I think most of the dogs were PTS.
04-25-2014 12:41 PM
Freestep
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Originally Posted by The Packman View Post
Since you got past not shooting him...I would have given him a second chance with you new found knowledge.
Are you kidding?

If you think a dog should get a "second chance" after such a violent attack, I shudder to think what a dog has to do to convince you that a second chance is not appropriate.

I feel a great deal of sympathy for the OP--this is an awful situation all the way around. Guilt, remorse, anger, sadness, pain, the irony of it all. Yeah, I've been there. I'm very glad that the dog was able to go back to the trainer, and you didn't have another dilemma of what to do with the dog after this happened.

Hope your wife heals well and that you will be able to move forward. This is certainly not normal GSD behavior.

If I may be so bold as to postulate a theory, this may be helpful if you get a older dog in the future. You mention you had this dog about a week and he was already going everywhere with you, sleeping with you, meeting new people and other dogs, etc.

It takes most dogs about 2-3 weeks to settle into a new home. During this time, they may be on their best behavior because they do not perceive this place as "theirs" yet. However, the behavior may change once they become settled and begin to claim the new home as their territory. What they have been allowed to do in that first acclimatization period may affect their perception of where their place is in the pack. If they are immediately allowed full run and to do as they please, with no rules or boundaries, they may believe that they are the new King. They may claim a certain person as "theirs", and attempt to keep everyone else away, as though that person is a delicious bone that they want to keep. We call this "resource guarding". Perhaps, when your wife suddenly scooted closer to you, the dog thought his resource (you) was being threatened, and he wanted to defend it. This is NOT the same thing as being "protective".

What many dog-savvy folks do when an adult dog comes into the home, is a "two week shutdown". The dog is kept crated or kenneled ALL the time, and only let out under the human's direct supervision and interaction for the first two weeks. Introductions are done gradually and the dog is not to leave the house (except for leashed walks) or go on outings. During this time, temperament can be assessed, boundaries can be established, and rules can be set. Household privileges are gradually earned.

Anyway, I am not a professional trainer, and I haven't seen the dog myself nor was I there to witness the attack. My theory could be totally wrong in this case, it's just something that occurred to me, something to think about.
04-25-2014 12:09 PM
Zeeva
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Originally Posted by BowWowMeow View Post
I am so sorry this happened. It's impossible for any of us to tell you why the dog suddenly attacked.

I hope you will return the dog to the breeder and I hope the breeder will do right by the dog.
I think you're right about it being difficult to say why a dog behaved a certain way through the Internet. But the point is to sort of discuss possible reasons and help the OP find some type of closure in his mind by discussing the possibilities.

Always looking for updates on this thread...
04-25-2014 04:03 AM
HansGFG
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Originally Posted by The Packman View Post
I can tell you why your K-9 attacked suddenly, without warning...you are dealing with a animal.

Since you got past not shooting him...I would have given him a second chance with you new found knowledge.
This is a tragic story for both the owners and the dog.It seems to me like the dog had fallen for them as well and I'm also a believer of second chances in some circumstances.But in this case she was lucky her husband was there to chase the dog off.Maybe the dog snapped cause she got close to her husband,maybe not.What if next time there's another reason and he would not have been there to protect his wife?I would hate to hear the end of that story.
04-25-2014 02:09 AM
The Packman
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Originally Posted by BowWowMeow View Post
It's impossible for any of us to tell you why the dog suddenly attacked.
I can tell you why your K-9 attacked suddenly, without warning...you are dealing with a animal.

Since you got past not shooting him...I would have given him a second chance with you new found knowledge.
04-25-2014 01:55 AM
Nigel This is too bad, sorry it turned out like this. I'm glad to hear your wife is doing better and that one day you'll welcome another GSD into your home.
04-25-2014 01:46 AM
Ellimaybel I may be corny but I cried during this story. Not just for the injuries to your wife (who I am very happy to hear is doing well) but everything. The circumstances under which you got the dog, and what really killed me was your compassion and care for the dog. The fact that you never went over the line as my husband would have done and you hugged him and told him he was a good dog just tore my heart up. I am so very sorry that your family went through not just the physical pain, but the deep emotional pain that this caused.
04-25-2014 01:20 AM
scottgs We have two other dogs (Labradors), both of which were in the room when the attack happened, though they were about asleep, as we all about were, it was 1100 PM when it happened. One of our dogs is dying from a liver problem, which is why we got the new dog in the first place. Well that, and he was a birthday present for my wife. Believe it or not.

We'll still get a new dog, but will hold off for a while until we all recover. We both grew up with German Shepherds, and have had several more since we've been married, so we're familiar with the breed, and this won't stop of from getting another.

Althouth this hasn't scared us off, we will definitely approach any new dog with great caution now, no matter what the breed, pedigree or references. I hate to say it, but a lesson learned is to not have complete faith in any dog until we grow to know it, no matter who the breeder or trainer is, and no matter what thier reputation may be. I also believe we will probably only raise a puppy now, just to improve the odds.

I've returned the dog to the trainer I acquired him from, which I did immediately after I got back from the hospital after the attack. It's such a shame too, as this was a nearly perfect dog. He was great with our other dogs and other people. We hiked together, we all rode in the truck together, all piled on top of one another. We all went in the pet stores, met the neighbors, played ball, went to dog parks, everyone loved him, petted him, he was always calm and everything was just perfect. No signs of aggression, no barking, growling, nothing at all to be concerned with. He was affectionate, happy, polite, smiley, just perfect until that night. And even then, during the attack, he was quiet; nothing but deliberate biting and tugging.

My wife is doing much better, we can definitely see some healing now. Thanks again for the thoughts and concern.
04-24-2014 11:39 AM
blueangele I am just curious, but what are you going to do with the dog? Are you going to have him PTS or give him back to the trainer? I feel horrible for your wife and I hope that she recovers fully!
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