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05-04-2014 11:56 PM
Diesel7602 So... I only feed my boy his food. He is supposed to eat 4 1/2 cups a day do to his weight, but he will only eat maybe 3 cups a day. No extra calories. A lot more walking and he went from 27 pounds 18 inch to 36 pounds and 20inch in two weeks. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I also got him on a joint supplement, just incase.

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04-24-2014 09:49 PM
Harry and Lola Different types of dry food can make huge differences in weight gain especially the super expensive premium ones. High energy premium kibble is usually very concentrated and can be overfed because the required adequate amount recommended can look like it is not enough, so inexperienced owners may increase the amounts per feed, this will have an affect on the puppies growth and if the puppy lives an ordinary domestic life style (ie not a working dog) then not only will puppy put on weight but may also become hyperactive.

Many suggest giving puppies an average adult kibble with about 24% protein and no more than 14% fat from about 12 weeks because if these dry foods are overfed then the consequences are not as drastic in terms of rate of weight gain or activity wise.
04-24-2014 03:54 PM
Espa
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She probably would flip she probably would look at me as a bad owner

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Ok I'm not a vet. I did however start school and left. All people I think have to harden to surgery, but there's more. It just wasn't for me.

I don't agree with a puppy diet of carrots and peas to fill them up. Dogs are omnivores, they'll even socks if it makes them feel full. Feeling full is not equal to good.

So many vets say a big breed shouldn't grow too fast so put them on a blank diet. Any diet is only weight, not bone, a dog isn't going to load up on twinkies unless you give it. Give the dog dog food.

Yes in bigger breeds joint health sometimes becomes a concern for owners, I'm not an employee, but I did discover a product at pupsup.com that has everything for joints and an anti inflammatory for a fraction of vet cost. I certainly don't hate vets, but I love pets and owners and know they want to do the best.
04-24-2014 03:42 PM
Diesel7602
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Zoe has always been slightly bigger as well. I think she was around 25 lbs at 11 weeks. I feed her the low end of what is recommended and she gets plenty of outside play time. So far our vet doesn't seem concerned. Now she is 42lbs at 18 weeks. She doesn't look fat to me. I can feel her ribs just fine and she has a defined waist. She's just really solid.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one I can feel my boys ribs and he has the perfect hour glass hips. He is stocky. I love when he sees me and he prances to me with his big stocky legs and big paws. <3

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04-24-2014 03:31 PM
ZoeD1217 Zoe has always been slightly bigger as well. I think she was around 25 lbs at 11 weeks. I feed her the low end of what is recommended and she gets plenty of outside play time. So far our vet doesn't seem concerned. Now she is 42lbs at 18 weeks. She doesn't look fat to me. I can feel her ribs just fine and she has a defined waist. She's just really solid.

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04-24-2014 03:24 PM
Diesel7602
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LOL yep second opinion! Wonder how the "getting" taller thing works for the first vet??
She probably would flip she probably would look at me as a bad owner

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04-24-2014 03:13 PM
Chip18
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I agree I'm looking around here for vets that are more knowledge of gsd. I decided not to do the starving diet. Just no additional calories. I take him on longer wAlks now since he just got his second round of shots. So far, he only gain 2 pounds this week instead of 5, but he went from 15 1/2 inch to 18 inch in 10 days. I don't know if the gaining height made it seam that he only gain 2 pound. The question about the treats was because during his puppy trainer the trainer wAnts a high drive treat and he won't work for kibble. The only time he does is at feeding time because I make him work for it either sitting. Shake ,or lay down. Maybe I'll go with chicken since its good protein. I also got him on a joint supplement. Just in case.

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LOL yep second opinion! Wonder how the "getting" taller thing works for the first vet??
04-24-2014 03:04 PM
Diesel7602
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Honestly, if you're worried about excess calories from treats, just use his kibble as training rewards. Makes him work for his food, spreads it out over the day, and doesn't force you to add in extra calories for training. I'd also get a second opinion about the joints. It seems that putting him on a starvation diet like that would cause problems with him not getting enough of the nutrients he needs to grow properly?
I agree I'm looking around here for vets that are more knowledge of gsd. I decided not to do the starving diet. Just no additional calories. I take him on longer wAlks now since he just got his second round of shots. So far, he only gain 2 pounds this week instead of 5, but he went from 15 1/2 inch to 18 inch in 10 days. I don't know if the gaining height made it seam that he only gain 2 pound. The question about the treats was because during his puppy trainer the trainer wAnts a high drive treat and he won't work for kibble. The only time he does is at feeding time because I make him work for it either sitting. Shake ,or lay down. Maybe I'll go with chicken since its good protein. I also got him on a joint supplement. Just in case.

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04-19-2014 02:12 AM
Pax8 Honestly, if you're worried about excess calories from treats, just use his kibble as training rewards. Makes him work for his food, spreads it out over the day, and doesn't force you to add in extra calories for training. I'd also get a second opinion about the joints. It seems that putting him on a starvation diet like that would cause problems with him not getting enough of the nutrients he needs to grow properly?
04-19-2014 12:54 AM
Diesel7602
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I really think you need to get a second opinion if nothing else. If you at least strongly suspect (and it sounds like it) that this a King Shepherd, then his growth rate is not "abnormal" your going to make your self and your dogie nuts worry about something that may not be a problem?

Maybe start a thread here and see if people with Kings will speak up or find a King Shepherd board and ask there?

I think male King Shepherds can weight in at 130 to 140 lbs, thats a big dog. Bull Mastiff size, pretty sure that same vet is not giving Bull Mastiff folks the same kind of silly advise? I say again they most likely have never seen a King Shepherd??
Thanks for the advice. The only think that makes me worried is starving the poor thing. But I'll take the advice and start a new thread and see if there is any king owners=) broccoli? =P

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