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04-16-2014 11:28 AM
Galathiel I just switched my 1 year old pup to Fromm Gold Adult. Just an FYI .. it's 24% protein and 16% fat. Mine spends a lot of time indoors as we STILL haven't gotten his outdoor kennel set up (that I got for Christmas 'sigh'). He's already feeling it as he is solid black. Hopefully we can get his kenneling finished soon so he can get more time acclimating by staying out in the mornings.
04-16-2014 11:03 AM
Tratkins This is a great post. I live in phoenix and we have already had temps in the 90's and our new pup (almost 5 months) has already figured out how to find the shade. Yesterday at training, it was hot and he was tired before usual and trying to find the shade. Our trainer at that point, told me to only treat him in the sun (during training) so that he can get used to it and won't lay down on me (which is what he was doing). Trainer also decided to move the training back an hour to 9am.

We have recently been trying to ease our dog into our pool, but he doesn't love it yet. I am hoping that when the temps reach the 115's here, he will realize how refreshing it is and want to jump in!

Otherwise, we head to the high country on here on the weekends with elevations over 6,000' with much cooler temps! We are leaving tomorrow and he loves hiking and camping up in the mountains! Ahhhhh....relief for us all!
04-16-2014 10:50 AM
David Winners
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I agree the ingrdients hills uses are garbage and the military probably gives a squat about longevity but perhaps does performance and working life? Anyway a TON of the research into feed formulations was done by Hill........so they have a lot of foundational knowledge...

Honestly, most of the quality feeds rely on Hill's research (which led to AAFCO) for their own formulations and most of the standard AAFCO stuff was on largely corn based diets which means nutrient absorption on our other diets is most certainly different. The Nature's logic guy has a lot to say on that, though I am rotating brands now as I am not going to trust one brand/formulation to have it all right.
I don't know enough truth about Hill's to comment. I know they have been providing dog food for the military since Viet Nam. I know some handlers pay out of pocket to feed better food with veterinary approval.

I appreciate anyone or any company that provides unbiased research that can help us make better decisions about our dogs. If Hill's is that guy, I thank them. I just won't feed their food if I can help it

David Winners
04-16-2014 09:39 AM
jocoyn I agree the ingrdients hills uses are garbage and the military probably gives a squat about longevity but perhaps does performance and working life? Anyway a TON of the research into feed formulations was done by Hill........so they have a lot of foundational knowledge...

Honestly, most of the quality feeds rely on Hill's research (which led to AAFCO) for their own formulations and most of the standard AAFCO stuff was on largely corn based diets which means nutrient absorption on our other diets is most certainly different. The Nature's logic guy has a lot to say on that, though I am rotating brands now as I am not going to trust one brand/formulation to have it all right.
04-16-2014 09:02 AM
David Winners Our military dogs eat crap. Hills SD AD. As you mentioned, there is a big difference between dogs that train for hours a day, plus real searches, and a weekend hike for a pet.

You mentioned hydration through the skin, which is sub Q. I mentioned that earlier but should have defined it. You take a large catheter and insert it under the skin, and then force a pocket of fluid in the subcutaneous layer. I will put a liter of fluid on a dog before a long mission in the middle of the day.

I learned a lot from the articles myself.

David Winners
04-16-2014 08:38 AM
jocoyn David, the first article is consistent with what my friend told me (he is traveling right now)...to LOWER the protein and RAISE the fat. He was suggesting a 24-26% protein food. That combination is hard to find and can get wonky balancing nutrients.

I am not averse to grain as the source of carbs as long as it is lower and gluten free. I know food targeted for hunting dogs is usually in the 30/20 range

I found this article as well and it looks very informative and corroborates the other.....I hope the link works. I think most of use need to realize that very few have what would be considered "performance dogs"....the weekend hike or SAR training or search.....no....we are just worrying about overheating not "performance" foods though some of the info here can be helpful for the weekend warrior. I think hydration is the biggy and getting high drive dogs to DRINK with adequate regularity is critical. Your bomb dogs are in the realm. What do they feed for performance. I bet it is not the most expensive stuff out there either!

https://s3.amazonaws.com/mmi_sacn5/C...ing%20Dogs.pdf
04-16-2014 07:03 AM
sparra
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Originally Posted by Harry and Lola View Post
I realise GSDs are working dogs, however in my experience some show line GSDs just don't cope with heat, my two don't, in the hot humid Sydney weather, they can only cope with about 10 minutes of trotting/running and will avoid direct sun always. Not sure if working line GSDs cope better? When I look at other breeds like the Australian Kelpie, they just work constantly in the heat and humidity.
We have a dry heat out here but very hot.....my WL will go just as hard in the heat as our kelpie but they are used to it......they spend a lot of time outside in the heat ........if they were in the aircon most of the time they would be useless in the heat around the sheep.....anything over 37 pulls them up though and we all refuse to work in heat like that......
04-16-2014 06:45 AM
David Winners Feeding the Canine Athlete by Hilary Watson

Hydration Strategies for Exercising Dogs, by Arleigh J. Reynolds, DVM, PhD, DACVN,

2 interesting articles in PDF format.
04-15-2014 07:48 PM
jocoyn Certainly! This is NOT it by the way, but it looks interesting.

hot and cooling foods for pets, yin and yan in dogs, traditional chinese medicine for pets, damp heat in dogs, treating phlegm symptoms in pets, using food to balance yin and yan, allergy remedy for dogs
04-15-2014 07:47 PM
Mrs.P
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A teammate owes me an article on feeding for heat tolerance based on some military research. Maybe David has some insight on that. I believe the inject fluids direclty under the skin over there too. .......I think it was along the lines of less protein, more fat.......but I want to read the article.
Would love to read once you get it if you don't mind passing it along
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