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04-16-2014 08:49 PM
nktigger99 Thanks for the advice....I will be trying some things mentioned....today I mostly kept her on leash...I had an ER trip last night so felt horrible today, had a bad reaction to one of the meds they gave me. Abby was great today....when I started getting sick I had to put her in her crate and she did very good....she was very concerned about me though I could tell.

I know we will get through this.......it is just another season of our lives.

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04-16-2014 12:58 AM
sparra Arm your kids with chew toys when they are with the puppy......puppy tries to chew on them ......they offer the chew toy......my son was 2.5 when our pup was 12 weeks and he was great. He carried it all the time while playing with the pup. I think you are doing the right thing wanting advice now......get on top of it and things will be much easier......I have seen adults on this forum accepting being torn apart by 6month old puppies.....this just can't happen when you have little ones......
Like selzer said.....use your voice......don't be afraid to give a ah ah if she gets too rough and a calm voice when she's being gentle.
04-15-2014 10:43 PM
SunCzarina Teach the children to dramatically turn back, walk away and put the puppy in time out - alone in the kitchen or some other room with a door. You might come back and find her fast asleep. Not unlike toddlers, baby german shepherds run around all wacko when they're over tired.

Way to go with your older son's puppy work! If he's the good older brother he sounds like, teach him a new trick: redirecting the puppy when she's nibbling on the baby brother.

Otto was a puppy when my oldest was 5 (boy) and my twins (boy and girl) were 3. It was the 3 y/o girl, not the older brother that Otto stopped mouthing first.

My daughter has a naturally dramatic flair and when I told them to turn their backs and walk away, she mastered this immediately 'Owww you bit me I'm not playing with you anymore!!!' Then she stormed off. She was Otto's instant favorite, she set boundaries and was consistent about them. At the time she was too little to know what she was doing LOL.

Setting boundaries and following rules consistently is harder for a 2 year old boy. It's hard for a 8, 9, 10, year old boy to follow directions and remember what to do in a situation.
04-15-2014 10:41 PM
selzer Well, dogs generally give puppies a license that wears off around 4 months of age. During this period, puppies can chew on ears, and tails, and run in front of, run into their dam, and she just lets them do anything.

Then around 16-18 weeks, she starts curbing their behavior, and my bitches are all very gentle with their pups, even older puppies. I have heard tales of other dams though, so there must be a range.

You have to protect the children. They come first. And I would teach the puppy to be gentle.

I do not like corrections with a puppy that cannot be expected to know anything yet. Corrections are generally for dogs who know a command and fails to perform it properly. But what command does your puppy know when it comes to mouthing?

I would teach the dog to be gentle, using a treat, and what you are actually teaching the dog is the idea behind the word gentle. Gentle means to use your tongue, not your teeth. So you say, Gentle, and offer a treat in the open palm. He takes it gently because he has to (because it is in an open palm) -- you are setting him up to succeed, and then you say Good Gentle.

Take your time with this, and after a week, start putting a thumb over that treat and use the reminder, Gentle, and then good Gentle, what a gentle boy/girl.

Give it time, and then make it tougher, hold it in a closed fist, and tell him gentle, and if he licks the fist, give it to him. Any gnawing gets and Eh! When he licks and is gentle, Good Gentle and give it to him.

Then make it tougher again, finger and thumb.

Then use this word, Gentle with the baby.

Of course, I don't know you or your dog. This works for my dogs. The effectiveness of corrections with puppies and dogs depend on the type of temperament the dog has, the timing and delivery of the correction, and sometimes the fairness of the correction. It matters what kind of temperament you have as to what the answer is in whether you will do more harm than good. For example, if you have a soft puppy, and you correct that puppy harshly for mouthing the kid, the puppy might develop fearfulness of the child, or children in general, and then it does get dangerous.
04-15-2014 10:35 PM
ZoeD1217 Do you crate train? A 5 min cool down in the crate is my go to. Obviously I'm not the expert though. I also have Zoe on the leash pretty much all the time and standing on it so she has to stay by me and not follow the kids usually gets her attention as well. At 17 weeks she seems to be putting it together.... If she wants to be with them she has to keep her teeth off them. She still get excited and forgets but I assume we still have a while to go.

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04-15-2014 10:26 PM
nktigger99 I don't demand 100% on anything from Abby....even house breaking which she has been without accidents for weeks....she may have an accident....which would be okay.....baby/puppies make mistakes, I make mistakes.

I want advice to help....excuse me for asking it....maybe I didn't communicate it clearly.....I wanted to know what kind of correction is okay to give a pup....if she is on leash and she goes to mouth my son....is it okay to give a small leash correction or would that not be the healthy direction for her at this age? The bottom line is I don't want to do the wrong thing that could cause issues down the line or undue stress on Abby right now. I also do not want my kids to suffer because I am mission something I could be doing to lessen the mouthing.

I don't know everything that is why I asked for advice.....I do let her be a puppy and my kids be kids....but it is my job to teach all of them proper behavior....I don't have all the answers and ask for help when I need it be it for my kids or animals.

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04-15-2014 05:35 PM
selzer
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Excuse me maybe read my post again.....I said I KNOW that having a 12 week old puppy is not able to ignore a child....they don't have the ability or maturity yet. I explained that in my post.

And yes I did exactly that....I trained the dog to sit and down those are her 100% commands then I taught my 5 year old, not my 4 year old or 2 year olds how to correctly ask her to sit and down. And she listens to him 100%.

I do not have my hands full, my heart yes...lol. and yes I have 4 kids 5 and under and got a puppy.....it is not different then adding another child which you would probable think the same thing about.

I never said bullying was a great description....but it is an easy way to say she tends to focus on him....maybe it is just his voice, it is the highest.

How about you give some useful advice??

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My only advice is to let the puppy be a puppy and don't demand 100% on anything yet, though house training should be getting there, if not already there.

My mother had 4 kids age five and under, and added another two down the line. So I do not have a problem with larger families. I am more concerned with expecting a 12 week old baby-puppy to listen to commands from little kids, but to also ignore the little kids, and to be careful and gentle around them, and to be 100% on some commands, etc.
04-15-2014 08:19 AM
nktigger99
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From one who raised pups with children, not as many as yours but ages 3,2 and months... I had to learn.

Remember... puppies don't have 'hands.' So mouth replaces hands.

You have little children so you know how natural it is for them to grab things, throw things carry things, right?

Puppy is learning.

In the litter, nipping, tussling, biting is all part of the play.

They aren't 'people' and we ask them to adjust to our world.

play with your puppy - without children. Give puppy the same one on one time you would for each of your little ones.

Once pup matures there will be less mouthing. But until pup finishing teething, you need to expect some of this behaviour.

Don't confuse puppy with directions from children. teach puppy to mind you. Teach children proper manners with puppy ( don't run, squeal, tease and not expect pup to do the same).

Good luck and PM me with any questions I can try to help you with.
I do give the pup plenty of one on one time...when the littles are having down time....which is for a few hours a day it is just me and Abby. My oldest is in school all day and my other kids love to play together. The only time Abby is not my main focus is school time.

Jimmy, my 5 year old asks Abby to sit and down only....he knows the correct hand signals and understands to only ask once. She listens to him every time. The other kids aren't mature enough.

We worked a lot on proper behaviour with the kids....no teasing,no running,hoping etc. By her, and no hugs(that has been hard for them), always pet her back.

Ya we have toys everywhere...and marrow bones are great.

I will PM you later today after I get my oldest off to school.

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04-15-2014 08:09 AM
nktigger99
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Good grief, you have four kids age five and under and got a puppy? You have a 12 week old puppy and are expecting it to SIT and other stuff for 5 year old kids and under? Your 12 week old PUPPY is a BULLY??? I'm sorry, but maybe it wasn't such a great time to bring in a little landshark. Maybe. And maybe not. But, puppies mouth because that is how they explore their world. You need to teach them not to mouth the children. But I really don't know. It sounds like you have your hands full, and teaching a puppy is got to be a bit much. But expecting a puppy to listen to obedience commands from people under the age of 5 is a bit much at this point. First train the puppy, and then train the kids how to do the commands with the dog, and train the puppy to obey commands given by the kid.

As for the tiny kid, I don't know. The puppy is not abnormal, and I just have never met a 12 week old puppy that was bullying children. Boisterous, mouthing, energetic, sure. But bullying. It's a baby. It's more of a baby at this point than your baby, but won't be for long, and it already outweighs your kids.

But you expect the puppy to ignore the kids??? Puppies live in litters, and children speak higher and run and play, and how can a puppy not be infected by that.

I think you're not being totally reasonable about the puppy, and I can understand why. At the same time, I just don't think you have realistic expectations for a puppy of this age.
Excuse me maybe read my post again.....I said I KNOW that having a 12 week old puppy is not able to ignore a child....they don't have the ability or maturity yet. I explained that in my post.

And yes I did exactly that....I trained the dog to sit and down those are her 100% commands then I taught my 5 year old, not my 4 year old or 2 year olds how to correctly ask her to sit and down. And she listens to him 100%.

I do not have my hands full, my heart yes...lol. and yes I have 4 kids 5 and under and got a puppy.....it is not different then adding another child which you would probable think the same thing about.

I never said bullying was a great description....but it is an easy way to say she tends to focus on him....maybe it is just his voice, it is the highest.

How about you give some useful advice??

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04-14-2014 10:46 PM
zyppi From one who raised pups with children, not as many as yours but ages 3,2 and months... I had to learn.

Remember... puppies don't have 'hands.' So mouth replaces hands.

You have little children so you know how natural it is for them to grab things, throw things carry things, right?

Puppy is learning.

In the litter, nipping, tussling, biting is all part of the play.

They aren't 'people' and we ask them to adjust to our world.

play with your puppy - without children. Give puppy the same one on one time you would for each of your little ones.

Once pup matures there will be less mouthing. But until pup finishing teething, you need to expect some of this behaviour.

Don't confuse puppy with directions from children. teach puppy to mind you. Teach children proper manners with puppy ( don't run, squeal, tease and not expect pup to do the same).

Good luck and PM me with any questions I can try to help you with.
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