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04-16-2014 09:45 AM
Blanketback OP, nobody knows you or your puppy. Nobody can say what your puppy will be like when she's a year old, and most importantly - nobody can say what will be her most motivating reward. Some like food, some like toys, some like praise. I bet yours will be one of the ones that likes praise the best, and will be super easy to mature into an adult. Your decision to ease up a bit with the training and focus more on playing and engagement is a good choice, IMO, and even if you didn't like how other people put it, it was good of them to point it out to you - and really good of you to stay flexible
04-16-2014 01:05 AM
Originally Posted by boomer11 View Post
Yep you definitely failed to see my point. There is no teenage phase. It's just a poor excuse for people who don't know how to properly motivate their dog. If you think your dog is so happy to do commands because she loves you then just wait a few months. If you think your pup is starting to ignore commands or do them slowly now, you are gonna be in for a nice surprise when she hits 7-10 months. What are you going to do then? Just tether her to you all day again?
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04-16-2014 12:14 AM
Back to the Basics...


And maybe I see your point and disagree with parts of it in regards to my own situation, because I AM doing what y'all keep telling me I need to do. But no. I'm a silly little idiot girl ruining her puppy and will regret everything in the future and have to replace her because of me being that silly little idiot girl who doesn't listen to y'all's "advice" and comments on how I'm going to regret it all.

You know what? Maybe I will. I'm not discarding ANYTHING, let me repeat, ANYTHING that y'all are telling me. NO. I'm reading, researching, and HAVE adjusted my plan accordingly.

But because I'm not bowing at your feet thanking you profusely for your great wisdom, I get snark and told that "maybe" I'll listen when my pup is good and ruined.

You said your piece. I listened. I'm flexible. I make changes that work. Will we continue with all 16 commands and push and push and push? NO!!!!!!!

But does that mean that from here until she's a year old I will do nothing but play with her, ignore bad behavior or disobedience "bc she's just a puppy", also no. I adjust accordingly, and will do what is best for her.

But apparently, she's already ruined and I should just give everything up now bc I'm an idiot and a pusher and will do nothing but ruin her and end up with a nightmare of a dog.


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04-15-2014 11:55 PM
DJEtzel Sigh.

You just can't see the point. You'll come around eventually. Maybe when you need a new dog for service work.
04-15-2014 11:18 PM
glowingtoadfly It sounds like you are doing a wonderful job with Arya.
04-15-2014 11:10 PM
Serbrider My pup. My mistakes to make.

If I'm in for a rude awakening, then I am. If not, then so be it. Regardless, she's not being abused and is happy and playful and enjoys herself and me. Will I be doing more engagement games and play time than I have been (mostly due to me working full time and going to school full time), yes. But do I think I've done something wrong by teaching my dog the way I have? No. She's happy, healthy, and whatever problems arise, I will deal with accordingly.

Don't like it, don't look. If I'm a stupid idiot who knows absolutely nothing and am in for a "rude awakening", that's my problem. Not yours.

And it's none of your business how I choose to deal with it when/if it arrives. Whether that be by "tethering" her to me all day, or going to a trainer, or some other method. If you end up meeting me in person and see I'm abusing or neglecting my dog, by all means. Call animal control. But other than that, if I'm happy with my dog and she's happy, none of your business how I choose to move forward with her.

Y'all have a good day.
04-15-2014 10:04 PM
Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
I was like you with my first dog...super serious, trying to teach him every single command I can think of as fast as possible
Hahaha yep this was me with my first dog. I taught him one command a week. I thought he was the smartest dog on the block. 7 month hits and if he sees another dog, I might as well be dead to him.
04-15-2014 09:58 PM
Originally Posted by Serbrider View Post
Teenage phases come and go. And you know what? I'll deal with it when it does. It happens to those who DON'T do what I'm doing as well, so I guess I'm failing to see your point.
Yep you definitely failed to see my point. There is no teenage phase. It's just a poor excuse for people who don't know how to properly motivate their dog. If you think your dog is so happy to do commands because she loves you then just wait a few months. If you think your pup is starting to ignore commands or do them slowly now, you are gonna be in for a nice surprise when she hits 7-10 months. What are you going to do then? Just tether her to you all day again?
04-15-2014 05:01 PM
Serbrider Yeah... I have been thinking the past week that I'm expecting too much of her as a puppy. I'm not going to ignore the things she already knows, but I'm not going to be training anything new for quite a while... because right now, we have all we need for a happy mannerly pup. I don't think I'm CURRENTLY doing too much. But I think if I pushed it any further, I would be. Our goal is a mannerly pup who has fun. And THAT is what we are doing, and have been doing, and what I was doing with the leash thing in the OP. To go back to keeping her near me and around me and having fun. Not "oh, you're on a leash so you must work work work work work". Not at all.

She's being socialized and having fun is really our primary goal... and the training was a part of that. She enjoys learning, and enjoys doing things for me. And not even just because she gets a treat (which she doesn't always get a treat for doing it, especially not the manners stuff involving sitting and staying when at doors, behaving on a leash, etc... because those are commands and a part of life, not something extra).

It's not my TRAINING that I saw something wrong in. It was that I needed to do more, because she was starting to ignore the basics, so I had to go back and reinforce them, because they aren't just tricks or fun things. They are necessities due to safety. And that was the "come" and basic leash manners.

Looks like our "training" sessions from here on out will be a quick review and then just focus and drive games. Which I have been doing, just not as much of.
04-15-2014 04:50 PM
martemchik I can't say unless I watch you train, but its probably mostly the way you posted. Like I said, just the fact that you have realized something is wrong with your training says something was probably wrong and you're doing too much. Truth is, I'd just have fun and play with her. Focus games, drive building, things of that nature.

You have to realize all of the unnatural things you're asking your pup to do, is work. She's equating interacting with you to doing things that you ask her to do and then she gets treats for it. They're pretty useless exercises/commands...that at her young age she's equating to getting things from you. I think a sit, down, stay, heel are important...but things like paw, roll over, come to this point, go to that point...all those things are work.

I have a friend who raises puppies for a service dog organization...they have them until they're 1 year old and for the first few months they're barely allowed to teach them any commands...its all about socialization.
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