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04-16-2014 08:26 PM
samsonpuckett_gsd Wyoung,

Thanks for the feedback. Will def be as detailed as possible next time.

I hate replying from my phone and I get lazy.... Next time I'll just wait until I get to cpu or tablet.

Kp

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You'll learn rather quick and to take the negatives with a grain of salt. Just remember too that people generally are trying to help and if you aren't understanding why something keeps being brought up then ask. The diet was a valid subject to bring up. We don't know your experience with dogs and diets like you do, so try to be as detailed as possible when you post things.. then there are those that bully just to bully and you will just have to ignore them

Thanks for clarifying everything, I was even getting frustrated for everyone else until you got more detailed.

I am glad that your pup seems to be doing better! always a good sign!
04-16-2014 05:31 PM
wyoung2153
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Yeah, underestimated the passion in this group. I need to be more detailed when reaching out and be prepared for any criticism if I'm not.

I explained numerous times I didn't want to go into all details of his diet. I'm still learning RAW, BUT his diet is being supervised by someone that has been feeding BARF to her animals years. This is The entire reason I wanted to pick people's brains on what else might have been the issue. And, the thread got hijacked and snowballed into what I thought it would. Lesson learned.

Thanks to everyone for the great feedback I did get a ton out of this post.

Kp
You'll learn rather quick and to take the negatives with a grain of salt. Just remember too that people generally are trying to help and if you aren't understanding why something keeps being brought up then ask. The diet was a valid subject to bring up. We don't know your experience with dogs and diets like you do, so try to be as detailed as possible when you post things.. then there are those that bully just to bully and you will just have to ignore them

Thanks for clarifying everything, I was even getting frustrated for everyone else until you got more detailed.

I am glad that your pup seems to be doing better! always a good sign!
04-16-2014 04:59 PM
my boy diesel because of my dogs preexisting health issue i am not comfortable giving bones
i supplement with calcium tablets
it is working wonderfully but there is a ratio you have to follow
good luck
04-16-2014 04:16 PM
middleofnowhere Glad to hear Sampson's growing his locks back! Good for him and good for you...
04-16-2014 04:13 PM
samsonpuckett_gsd Yeah, I get that. 100%. I should have been more detailed. My bad. First thing I did was take him to the vet and get him to my RAW expert.

My pup is thriving the last few days. Just needed the right mix of rest, the right food and TLC.

Thanks for the link. Will dive into it after work. Thanks for everything diesel.

Kp


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will continue to read and experiment)

but what we are saying is that with a malnourished puppy you cant read and experiment
i have no issue with raw properly done
a malnourished puppy is already behind and needs balanced nutrition and cant miss even one vitamin or mineral a day
if he had been cared for properly and has no health issues you would have the luxury of experimentation

with this puppy there is no room for error but hey it is your dog
if he has health issues already you are certainly not going to fix him up with experiments but he probably wont get a whole lot worse
04-16-2014 04:08 PM
samsonpuckett_gsd Yeah, underestimated the passion in this group. I need to be more detailed when reaching out and be prepared for any criticism if I'm not.

I explained numerous times I didn't want to go into all details of his diet. I'm still learning RAW, BUT his diet is being supervised by someone that has been feeding BARF to her animals years. This is The entire reason I wanted to pick people's brains on what else might have been the issue. And, the thread got hijacked and snowballed into what I thought it would. Lesson learned.

Thanks to everyone for the great feedback I did get a ton out of this post.

Kp


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Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
Actually I think you will find that on this forum, raw is very much promoted. Many, many members here feed raw and/or advocate for it. But not all raw diets are created equal. Raw is much more than just raw meats with other fillers and veggies and your earlier posts left out the bone being ground into the meat sources so that's probably what freaked people out.
04-16-2014 03:33 PM
my boy diesel this might help you

Bone And Food Values For Raw Feeding Dogs | Dogs Naturally Magazine

and this
http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter...our-dogs-diet/
04-16-2014 03:15 PM
my boy diesel will continue to read and experiment)

but what we are saying is that with a malnourished puppy you cant read and experiment
i have no issue with raw properly done
a malnourished puppy is already behind and needs balanced nutrition and cant miss even one vitamin or mineral a day
if he had been cared for properly and has no health issues you would have the luxury of experimentation

with this puppy there is no room for error but hey it is your dog
if he has health issues already you are certainly not going to fix him up with experiments but he probably wont get a whole lot worse
04-16-2014 03:08 PM
carmspack not once did you mention the dogs diet in this manner "Samson is currently eating - chicken thighs, t-bones, ground chicken (whole chicken, bone included), sirloin cubes (treats for training), eggs, broccoli, zucchini and carrots and have ground duck (whole duck) and will be thawing it out soon and introducing it. Chicken bones – in common with all raw bones (duck next??) are a balanced and biologically appropriate source of the bone forming minerals calcium and phosphorous"

what you said "I have him on RAW. Steak and Chicken mostly. Raw egg mixed in the AM. Going to introduce ground turkey over the weekend"
and "The fats he gets from the chicken and beef. As far as nutrients and vitamins, I mixed in some broccoli, carrots and zucchini in with his chicken and eggs this morning and he loved it!! He also enjoys eating baby carrots by themselves"
and this one is vastly different than the diet you just provided ! "I give him bones. He had some T-Bones early this week. I give him chicken thighs. I cut some of the meat off, but leave some on the bone so we has to work to get some of the meat off."

Because that would be missing bone - a T-Bone , is not consumed , and is sharp because of the butcher's cut .

here your answer to the lack of calcium was "I look at other calcium sources. A half cup of cabbage or a cup of bok choy provides almost as much absorb-able calcium as a glass of milk."

once again a far different answer than your most recent one which tells of meat with its own bone in a ground form.

there are many people that feed steak, and chicken breasts , or hamburger/ground meat , maybe with rice , all meat no bone . That would be horribly deficient .

You would have a calcium deficiency , secondary hyperparathyroidism.

Too much liver -- Vitamin A toxicosis. No liver , possible anaemia .



You were sharp with Jocoyn who also recommended a puppy food (assuming commercial) . Many , if not most that took interest in this thread were concerned with the diet --

there are many people that feed steak, and chicken breasts , or hamburger/ground meat , maybe with rice , all meat no bone . That would be horribly deficient .

You would have a calcium deficiency , possible secondary hyperparathyroidism.

Too much liver -- Vitamin A toxicosis. No liver , possible anaemia .

Too little protein muscle and skeletal atrophy. Immune problems .

sometimes getting all the information you need to send a good answer are not forthcoming --- like pulling teeth.

The "Carm's" stance on broccoli is from AVMA and CVMA.

I have corresponded with Billinghurst, I have spoken to his rival Lonsdale over the phone , and I know close personal friends of the Pitcairns . I ask a lot of questions.

And yes , even though I have fed raw for over 25 years with my own dogs , it would be a lot longer if I included the house GSD that we had when I was still with my parents as a child. Every Saturday morning I would walk the miles from sub-division land to the new strip plaza where there was a butcher . They would reserve a bucket of off cuts and grizzle , guts and necks and wings that would be the food for the dog . Rain or shine . Old country style .

When I have pups , if the person is not able or willing to feed raw , or if they can't or won't do it correctly I would far rather have them feed a good quality kibble -- and I do my research there so I am prepared to make recommendations.

what the heck " Beside suggesting kibble, you have made no positive suggestion to this convo. Other than "he needs calcium and other minerals..." You have a bright future in politics" 25 years feeding RAW to puppies and no suggestions other than get a high grade kibble?? Thanks...

oh brother . seems no good deed goes unpunished . spent too much time on this one -- good luck
04-16-2014 02:31 PM
Liesje Actually I think you will find that on this forum, raw is very much promoted. Many, many members here feed raw and/or advocate for it. But not all raw diets are created equal. Raw is much more than just raw meats with other fillers and veggies and your earlier posts left out the bone being ground into the meat sources so that's probably what freaked people out.
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