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07-20-2014 06:59 PM
crazy_chicken Look at how many dogs are ran over each year...perhaps all those crazy extremist animal rights people should protest the use of vehicles and walk to all of their rallies and peaceful demonstrations...
07-19-2014 06:50 AM
Keeno Beano I am new on this site and hope to learn from responsible german shepherd folks.
07-18-2014 09:00 AM
Deno We seem to be living in the twilight zone, up is down, down is up, wrong is right and so on.

You have people who don't have a clue forcing their dumb ideas on the rest of us.
07-16-2014 10:06 PM
Juliem24 Signed.
Thank you.
07-16-2014 09:55 PM
Originally Posted by Gwenhwyfair View Post
ah-ha someone with a cheeky sense of humor signed as "Victoria Stilwell".
That'd be me

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04-15-2014 10:44 AM
Blanketback I know someone who's had electroshock therapy too. I'm keeping that tab open, and I'm slowly going to plow through all those pages. There's an awful lot of weeding to get to the posts worth reading, lol! I noticed Adam P mentioned in one post that he was originally an anti, and that's why he started reading about ecollars in the first place.

What I find really disturbing is the amount of censorship involved. It seems that you're either not allowed the freedom to exchange information, or when you are, then the actual information available is limited through forced absenteeism. Yuck, that's not very intellectually stimulating.
04-15-2014 10:31 AM
Gwenhwyfair OH wow, that first link, from comparisons to humans and electro shock therapy (a friend of a friend knows someone's daughter who got fried by an electro shock therapy treatment and she can't remember what she forgot now LOL!) then there's that evil Russian Doctor...(aka Pavlov) and that's just the first page.

That's exactly how it works. Incite anecdotal and embellished stories or blame Pavlov.

04-15-2014 09:23 AM
Blanketback Blitzkrieg, I found something for you:

" you not feel as Admin that you could perhaps apply a rule to the forum that bans/discourages the discussion of negative training methods? Another dog forum I am on does this and to be honest I like the fact that I can go on there and won't be frustrated by thread..."

In any doubt e-collars are mental (and physical) abuse?

LOL! That on the 1st page - out of 206 pages long! I obviously didn't read the whole thread, but there's some good posts. LuvMyDogs talks about prongs in the 160's and it's informative - but go figure that most in the 'pro' camp are now banned members. This is a UK site, and if they can argue for 206 pages (with the thread being closed) then I'm guessing that there's more to the ecollar ban than just 'only bad trainers use them.'

"Charles Wall, founder specialist dog training company A1K9, told the BBC: 'In the right hands they have probably been responsible for saving lots of dogs' lives - dogs that would otherwise have been shot, dogs that would have been run over from running out onto the main roads, dogs that are persistent fighters.
'There are many, many things that you can use this apparatus for.'"
Electric collars that shock pets into obedience are banned in Wales | Mail Online

"Yet, still I and hundreds of others, are successfully working alongside these people and when we need to use equipment that abruptly stops or reduces the aberrant dog behaviour, that’s a fact of life. Moreover, because we help and get results, not just fancifully wishing, we can more often than not teach the now listening owner into the general dog training scheme using as much reward and intelligent dog training as is possible, alongside use of appropriate equipment."
The Guild of Dog Trainers - Dog Training, Dog Training and Behaviour, Dog Training Courses, Dog Behaviour Courses

Those links are my reply to David Taggart. Obviously, there are trainers in the UK who understand the tools we're speaking about. Are they cruel or incompetent trainers?
04-14-2014 08:45 PM
Gwenhwyfair No worries David Winners!

What David Taggert inadvertently illustrates, (back on topic) is how painting with a broad brush and using emotionally charged rhetoric over actual experience and evidence works....well sometimes it works.
04-14-2014 08:11 PM

Having some type of verifiable experience helps others to believe your opinion is valid.

David Winners
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