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06-26-2014 09:45 AM
blackshep There are VERY rare instances where the dogs are non-responders to the vaccine (but the non-responders to the parvo vaccine respond beautifully to distemper and vice versa). Doesn't warrant not doing it IMO. Also only having one shot may mean the mothers maternal antibodies were stil in the pups system and blocked the effectiveness of the vaccine, that's why you do a series of puppy shots.

According to Dr Schultz, the vaccine is extremely effective and often provides lifelong immunity, so it doesn't make any sense to take the risk of exposing your pup to the virus, to me. It's a horrible disease for your pup to go through. My coworker didn't vaccinate her pup and it died a horrible, painful death from Parvo, she was devastated.
06-25-2014 10:14 AM
lauren43
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Ok, but Lauri, someone exposed your pups to the virus, so they didn't have immunity, right? Not trying to argue, to each their own, but I'm saying, nobody knows where their pups are going to be exposed to a virus, which is why the vaccinations are so important.

Just a general question for the population - how does anyone prove their dog's health problems are related to having been vaccinated? People seem to say, my dog was vaccinated and it ended up getting cancer. or some other condition it develops. What's to say it was from the vaccine? Is there a way to find out?


The only issue is, is that vaccinating doesn't mean these pups would have escaped the infection. I know a vet tech in the CA area and she is currently dealing with at least 3-5 positive parvovirus pups, all of which had at least 1 immunization...and not all of them survived.

It's a terrible virus. And I know there are no guarantees in life, but I'm not sure I'll be vaccinating against things like Parvovirus, Lepto, and Bordetella...the other vaccinations are a little less clear to me and I'll make those decisions as I go.





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06-25-2014 08:00 AM
jocoyn
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Cats and dogs are very different in how they respond to vaccines, so people often do the 1 year rabies with cats - Purevax.
Yes, the adjuvant seems to be responsible for injection site sarcomas in cats which is also why they do it on the leg now and not the shoulder or back. Good reminder.....need to make sure the vet uses the adjuvant free rabies shot BEFORE I take our cat in for her Rabies booster.

It was not lost on me that Grim (who had been immunized out the yin-yang with adjuvanated vaccines before I got him at 2.5) developed his hemangiosarcoma of the muscle over the shoulder.......but there is no adjuvant free rabies shot for dogs. The MLV viruses like Distemper and Parvo, no........and there is one lepto vaccine without adjuvant but, surprise surprise...hearing of even large dogs getting reactions on THAT one now.
06-25-2014 07:41 AM
JeanKBBMMMAAN
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I believe (I could be wrong) that the cat vaccine, the 1 year is adjuvant free. He says (I think it's toward the end of the vid) that he'd rather give a yearly adjuvant free rabies vaccine to the cat, over the 3 year rabies with adjuvant, since the adjuvant is what is causing the injection site sarcomas.

There's a version of that vid done in 15 minute segments. You should watch it if you can Dr Schultz is so good at explaining how it all works and made me feel much more comfortable about tittering over yearly vaccines
Cats and dogs are very different in how they respond to vaccines, so people often do the 1 year rabies with cats - Purevax.
06-24-2014 01:03 PM
my boy diesel yeah as i understand dog vaccines anyway they dont reach for a 3 yr vs 1 yr vaccine
they ask when the last vaccine was and if a year ago then it is not due again for 3 yrs
and again that depends on where people live because some places have not gone to 3 yr spacing yet

There's a version of that vid done in 15 minute segments. You should watch it if you can Dr Schultz is so good at explaining how it all works and made me feel much more comfortable about tittering over yearly vaccines
i will try to get that watched then!
06-24-2014 12:48 PM
blackshep
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they mentioned a cat vaccine 1 vs 3 yr is different but not sure on that either now!
I believe (I could be wrong) that the cat vaccine, the 1 year is adjuvant free. He says (I think it's toward the end of the vid) that he'd rather give a yearly adjuvant free rabies vaccine to the cat, over the 3 year rabies with adjuvant, since the adjuvant is what is causing the injection site sarcomas.

There's a version of that vid done in 15 minute segments. You should watch it if you can Dr Schultz is so good at explaining how it all works and made me feel much more comfortable about tittering over yearly vaccines
06-24-2014 12:45 PM
blackshep It's at about the 42 minute mark. I stand corrected, he did say they are all mainly the same, but that there are some that may have more adjuvant, so there are some differences. I guess we're both kind of right. I have a selective memory lol
06-24-2014 12:40 PM
my boy diesel i cant watch it for an hour
can you give me the time when he says it?

i am a bit curious i admit because they really are the same vaccine from everything else i read and understand
the only difference is the laws where one lives

they mentioned a cat vaccine 1 vs 3 yr is different but not sure on that either now!
06-24-2014 12:29 PM
blackshep In his interview he contradicts that??
06-24-2014 12:29 PM
blackshep Too late to edit - I agree about how you can't regulate what/how much your dog is exposed to. And it doesn't have to do with how much of the virus the dog is exposed to, it will either make them sick or it won't.

Considering the efficacy of the parvo and distemper vaccines, and the mortality rate of the clinical disease and long term health effects (distemper in particular, is terrible), the risk of side effects of the vaccines are warranted IMO. Especially when you consider most dogs will have lifelong immunity.
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