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04-10-2014 10:27 AM
Sri I think I do have it fit properly. But yes, I am on the lookout for a good trainer.
04-09-2014 03:05 PM
Gretchen Do you have it fit properly? Is it high on the neck? Also make sure it is fitted so that the prongs are not over the area of the trachea. Here's from the ASPCA: The collar should sit high up on your dog's neck, just behind his ears. The fit should be snug, so the prong links can't shift to the front of your dog's neck where they might pinch your dog's trachea.

I also agree with MaggieRoseLee about consulting with a trainer before using a prong. I used one with our previous dog and thought I knew it all, but I'm really glad we chose to go to a professional with our Molly, as in the past we weren't using it properly.
04-09-2014 02:47 PM
MaggieRoseLee Since you don't want to ruin all the great work you've done to get his enthusiasm and happiness going for obedience... I'd hold off on using the prong until you find a good trainer to use it in conjunction with.
04-09-2014 12:14 PM
Originally Posted by David Winners View Post
Could you post some video?

I'm having trouble with training and videoing at the same. Will ask a friend to video me. ...
04-09-2014 07:47 AM
Originally Posted by Sri View Post
Hi everyone
Last night I decided to add the prong for general obedience work. I have not needed to use this till now in class or at home, but there are times when his response is not prompt, and i wanted to correct for this.

Anyway his response was unenthusiastic, i could not get him to look at me either sitting in front or walking next to me. Whereas he was always enthusiastic and happy while maintaining eye contact for several steps. He also started to itch often and I released him when this itching got very bad.

I am not sure how to proceed from here. He is 13 months old, btw. I do use the prong on walks. Any advice?

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I just started with Cruz on a prong. He is highly dog reactive. He just turned 15 months. He has shown much the same reactions. He also does a little itching also. Nothing severe.

The difference with yours to mine is I've noticed he has developed a threshold point he has with the prong. Nothing extreme. He will go to a point out on lead as far as his pain tolerance will allow and back off on his own. He also gets plenty of praise when he heels correctly. No treating. The best thing is he no longer pulls and he, like yours makes good eye contact. We do abrupt turn arounds to keep him paying attention too.

I don't allow any sniffing. But thats me. I look at that as a beginning of him taking over on a walk. So for me, not letting him sniff, keeps me in control of the walk. But again, thats my personal opinion, not advice.

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04-09-2014 07:29 AM
Baillif Right the other thing is to stick with it. Even without rewards if you stick to your guns and just used praise within 2-3 days of training they learn to escape pressure and that makes them happy by itself.
04-09-2014 07:26 AM
Bobby25104 Persistence is the key with prong collars. Some dogs take differently to the use of them. I haven seen dogs start negative to the use of them but with persistent training they get used to them as a tool and progress nicely. Also when the dog does well with out little correction lots of praise. I have been using a prong collar for 3 months now on my 10 month gsd. Every day I take a half hour to work with him on obedience. Than after that if he performs well he gets to play with his favorite toy.
04-09-2014 07:17 AM
Baillif The itchy thing is normal. You will see less and less of it as time goes by. The unenthusiastic thing happens too with some dogs at first. When you first start to layer prong pressure they're like dude this sucks and are confused. To a certain degree you can make it better by teaching them to give in easily to pressure by marking it and rewarding when they give in like in those Michael Ellis YouTube videos.

You might also try bringing them up with your own enthusiasm.

My personal favorite though is to use retrieve play. Prey activity blows stress off a dog really quickly. Ask for 2-3 behaviors and when you get them mark and reward with retrieves. So for example teaching sits. Say sit, quickly give upward leash pressure, dog sits, say free excitedly while moving the dog out of the position so you can reset. Repeat sit command and start all over one more time. At the end of the third sit instead of saying free mark with a yes, then pull the retrieve toy out of a pocket throw it and drop the leash and let the pup have a retrieve or two.

If your dog doesn't know retrieves yet I'd work on that first and build value for it so that you could use it as a tool, as well as just a game you can play with the dog in general.
04-09-2014 06:55 AM
Sri Will try.

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04-09-2014 06:54 AM
David Winners Could you post some video?
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