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|04-21-2014 11:46 PM|
Thanks very much for all the advice everyone.
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|04-17-2014 02:54 PM|
Originally Posted by Saxony View Post
I think I'll have tracking as a summer activity and nosework can keep us going through the long, cold winter!
|04-17-2014 12:29 PM|
Originally Posted by Slamdunc View Post
My dog's nosework indication is not really a trained behavior like a sit or down, but more how I read his response (or lack of response if he "clears" a vehicle or area as not having the scent). He will stiffen, the tail will start to wag more quickly, and then often he does thing thing where he is flicking his head, alternating between a nose-touch on the odor and looking back at me. When he goes that lock up with his body and then the tail wagging and head flicking, I call his indication. He does other things like down and sit but that has more to do with the location of the odor. If it's on or near the grown he will down like in IPO tracking but the other body language is there. If the odor is 3 feet off the ground he might sit. I don't really reinforce the sits or downs as the indication. In nosework at higher levels the dog must indicate closely, like within half an inch (actually in our NW1 trial during the interior search after I called the indication I was asked by the judge to point directly to the spot with the scent) so I like that he attempts to touch his nose on the scent or as close as he possibly can to whatever is containing the scent.
I am very new to nosework and was originally more worried about it messing up tracking since that's my dog's best phase, but now I'm not worried and also have not been doing IPO for almost a year and may never trial him again. I'd LOVE to do an FH/FH2 but simply don't have the space available to train to the level I think he could score. Like the poster above me explained, nosework fits better with our more urban lifestyle and is something I can do year-round.
|04-16-2014 11:04 PM|
I do both tracking and nosework with my dogs and here is what I will add for your consideration. Yes they are different in terms of the activity, how the dog works, what they are searching for...also they differ in resource needs.
Tracking: great outdoor activity. Needs: time (tracks are 1-2 hours aged), wide open safe places to track, 40' line, flags, maps, timer to age tracks and time runs, partner to lay blind tracks, harness, dog, ability to understand wind direction, treats :-)
Nosework: great indoor and outdoor activity. Needs: containers, tins, odors, indoor and exterior search spaces, vehicles, harness, leash, articles, clipboard, dog, treats :-)
At the basic level I found nosework to fit better with my lifestyle. It takes time to track, and for me added time to get there since I don't live near open areas. I like nose work because I can do it anywhere, anytime. I love tracking too but where I live, it's snowing right now. Tracking is something I can enjoy 1/2 the year and it's hard to coordinate a friend to track with plus it takes a good four hours, for me, with transit time.
I bet you will enjoy them both. My $.02 - If you do pursue nosework, one resource to consider is NACSW - they have a list of certified instructors on their site. This is such a fast growing sport/ in demand it seems like everyone is popping up to offer it, so make sure your instructor knows what they are doing. And if you pursue tracking- take a class or join a club that way you will have people to track with. Have fun!
|04-15-2014 10:39 AM|
Originally Posted by DJEtzel View Post
My dog has a bad hip, so I'm looking for another activity for her to do that won't be too hard on her joints.
I'm excited to try it! I'm going to use a different command than my scent detection one, to help avoid confusion on how to search, but I also think the lack of objects to search (no vehicles, containers or furniture) will help to avoid confusion.
She seems to be a natural tracker, she is always wanting to follow her nose if she finds an interesting scent trail on walks.
|04-14-2014 05:33 PM|
Originally Posted by blackshep View Post
|04-14-2014 05:07 PM|
Originally Posted by blackshep View Post
|04-14-2014 02:43 PM|
|blackshep||My dog is doing nosework and is trained to down when she finds the scent. Will this create a conflict with tracking?|
|04-12-2014 04:12 PM|
Originally Posted by Liesje View Post
I really don't think ground level hides or even buried hides will effect article indication at all. When a dog is doing tracking it is trained to indicate on articles on the track with fresh human odor. These articles should obviously contain the odor of the track layer only. The key to article indication, or even article searching is the association with recent human odor.
In detection work, such as narcotics, explosives or nose work the dog is trained to find a particular odor and to ignore other odors. The dog learns to ignore human odor, or should on substances and focus on the target odor. The rituals for tracking and detection work, the commands and the procedures are completely different. You should have no issues with buried finds, low finds, high finds, etc. Actually, training varied finds is good and conflict training is even better.
The indication in IPO tracking, usually a down with the article between the front legs should be very different than the indication the dog gives when doing detection work. With the detection work you can train either a passive alert or an active (aggressive) alert for a final response. These should not conflict with article indication at all. Remember, the actual alert is not the trained response but the breathing, body language and behavioral changes the dog has before the trained response.
|04-11-2014 08:03 PM|
|Liesje||Doing IPO tracking and nosework is not the end of the world nor rocket science, really no different than dogs that do agility *and* flyball, or dogs that do IPO protection *and* SDA (all of which Nikon also does or has done). Really the only consideration I have because he does both is that I don't allow my nosework instructor to bait ground level hides because obviously I don't ever want him touching IPO articles, but even then I'm not sure if it would be a big deal.|
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