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04-07-2014 08:23 PM
nktigger99 I used them with great success with my Clumber spaniel and golden. It was a wonderful tool to get two very well trained dogs.

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04-07-2014 07:21 PM
David Winners I personally don't use head collars for anything. I choose other methods that work better for me. I think they are often used as a tool that provides long term management instead of loose leash walking. I have also found many dogs that are bothered by the head collars.

With that being said, I think it is a good tool for those that are working on reactivity themselves (without a trainer), or are using the head collar as a management tool to allow the dog to function on walks or in stressful situations until proper training can take place.

I think they are a tool in the toolbox, and I do own a couple, though I haven't used them in years.
04-07-2014 06:59 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
But to be fair any tool can be misused.

I much prefer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FqtL6o7kDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e_1uCQUYvE

In order to "deal" with a problem instead of using a tool to mask a problem. Just my 2 cents.
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Don't be afraid to go back to basics either, I had to do it a few times and in the end I came out stronger with a better overall foundation.



To be honest your opinion is no different than a person saying that seeing a prong collar on a dog means immediately that the dog is aggressive, untrained, or out of control. I don't look at the tool, I look at the results between my dog and myself and then consider whether it was useful or not.
Pretty sure I covered that.
04-07-2014 06:07 PM
Harry and Lola
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Originally Posted by sechattin View Post
I see them as a band-aid for a problem. I used one for mine for a couple months to get a thorough loose leash behavior
Head control tools like the halti or canny collar can be used to get your dog used to heeling at your left easily if you have a dog that is resisting heeling as it is less stressful on your strength so you are able concentrate on having him at your left and even be picky to the point where you train him to be as close as possible and in line for trialling purposes, you can then phase out the tool and concentrate on loose or no leash heeling.
04-07-2014 05:58 PM
Harry and Lola I used the Gentle Leader Head Halter many years ago and didn't like it. I used the Canny Collar which is similar but is more like a bridle on a horse and found it to be very good.

I still use the Canny Collar sometimes when I need tight 'head control' for a Harry in certain situations like the Vets office as he is reactive to other dogs and in small waiting rooms with other dogs of all sorts of stability levels coming and going - he can be dog aggressive. I also sometimes use it when I am lazy and walking 2 GSDs at once in crowded areas, it gives 100% head control and reassurance when you have a fear aggressive reactive dog.
04-07-2014 03:37 PM
Twyla Woolf was the lunge, bark and act a fool dog. He broke the halti.
04-07-2014 03:34 PM
sechattin I see them as a band-aid for a problem. I used one for mine for a couple months to get a thorough loose leash behavior, but I made sure that it was paired with consistent training. I've never snapped his head around with it or jerked on it, so that has never been a problem. I've always let it be a self-correcting tool, but as someone else says, if your dog doesn't care about the self-correction, it may not be the right tool.

I may have to break it out again as mine is getting a bit reactive towards small dogs, and I don't want to escalate the problem with a prong.
04-07-2014 03:01 PM
blackshep Don't like them, prefer a prong. Rubbed the fur off my dogs nose and irritated her eyes.

Vet said she sees a lot of neck and eye injuries with them.
04-07-2014 02:59 PM
huntergreen when they first came out my vet said it would hurt the dogs neck if jerked, so i never tried one.
04-07-2014 01:46 PM
Shade
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Originally Posted by Hunter4628 View Post
thanks I sometimes use the head halti, but he still pulls on it. Like he tries his best to pull because i can see his mouth getting pulled back when he pulls still ( if that makes any sense.)
I found the halti pretty useless for loose leash walking, Delgado just pulled regardless and a halti really only works for self-correction if the dog responds to it. Delgado never did, he just pulled through any pressure and ignored it. It's not meant for actual corrections, like a collar where you would give a sharp tug. That just yanks the dog's head and neck and can cause injuries, one of the main reasons why people are adverse to it.

If he's not responding to the pressure of the halti then you really should try another tool and possibly a new training program. Delgado was very stubborn about heeling, we were in a class with two trainers and they were recommending a prong but he was 5 months old - far too young in my opinion. With persistence we were able to figure out a compromise, but it wasn't until he hit 9 months and I swapped him to a prong we saw great leaps in having a consistent heel even under distractions. The prong reinforced the behaviour I wanted and told him in no uncertain terms that I meant business

Don't be afraid to go back to basics either, I had to do it a few times and in the end I came out stronger with a better overall foundation.


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Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
"My" thoughts...I think they are crap, and they say to me... there is someone who doesn't know what they are doing " so stay clear!" To be fair though, I stay clear of other dog
walkers anyway!

And if you're walking a dog reactive dog on one and yank on it, you're going to hurt your dog! But to be fair any tool can be misused.

I much prefer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FqtL6o7kDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e_1uCQUYvE

In order to "deal" with a problem instead of using a tool to mask a problem. Just my 2 cents.
Well I can tell you from personal experience is that it was a great tool for Delgado's dog reactivity. I never once yanked or cranked him on it and his head was never snapped harshly. It allowed me to control his head by grabbing it just under his chin which caused him to stop barking immediately and redirect his attention back to me. No lunging, no barking, just calm control and a firm hand. It's never hurt or punished him, just kept him from escalating. The prong wasn't a good tool for dealing with the reactivity from the start, if anything it would ramp him up not calm him down.

I'm at the point now in his reactivity that the prong is a better overall tool, but it's taken a while to get to that point. Mostly I was working with simply the halti during his worst stages.

To be honest your opinion is no different than a person saying that seeing a prong collar on a dog means immediately that the dog is aggressive, untrained, or out of control. I don't look at the tool, I look at the results between my dog and myself and then consider whether it was useful or not.
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