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04-10-2014 10:28 AM
critterlady Over the phone the lady told me they used treats for eye contact and as a reward ar the end of the session, there were no treats involved. To get a dog into the down postion she was using one hand to pull down on the collar while the other hand pushed down on the dogs shoulders and forced it down, if a dog resisted she grabbed it by the scruff and forced it to submit to her, if the dog resisted that, she got even rougher and louder, not only did it scare the puppy she was working with, but all the other puppies as well. I have never seen a dog treated in such a manner before, it seems like a recipe for disaster. The only "positive reinforcement" I saw last night was telling the puppies "good job". I just wasn't comfortable at all with the methods used, it was bullying, not training.

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04-10-2014 10:25 AM
G-burg
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go to a few classes before signing up and watch the dynamics between the instructor and the students , watch the dynamics between the students and their dogs.
That's exactly what I was going to suggest!
04-10-2014 09:53 AM
carmspack so what is wrong with this ? "she said they use a positive reinforcement method "

go to a few classes before signing up and watch the dynamics between the instructor and the students , watch the dynamics between the students and their dogs.

speak to the students , ask them how they feel about the class and whether the pups have benefited .

speak to a student that has progressed from the kindergarten level and is taking the next level 5 months and older .
04-10-2014 09:42 AM
critterlady I am already looking for another trainer, I have covered the basics with Zeus, but I would like help with more advanced training, the problem is the area I live in is so rural that I don't have many options. For now I'm doing as much online and book research as I can to teach myself how to teach him.
The sad thing about the lady with husky last night was that she had been attacked by her previous dog and had just worked up to getting another dog, now she's probably afraid of him. Last night he just reacted in fear from the way the trainer was treating him, I feel so bad for both of them.

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04-10-2014 09:11 AM
pyratemom
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Lesson learned, the puppy kindergarten class started out ok, then turned scary. There was a lady that had a spirited husky puppy, the trainer stepped in and basically man handled the dog, tried to force it down, almost got herself and the dogs owner bit, it was awful, the dog owner left almost afraid of her dog. The trainer tried to get us to use our leashes and hands to force our dogs into down position, i had already taught Zeus to go down using treats so he went down on his own. Needless to say, I will not be going back!

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Sounds like a good decision. I do feel sorry for the lady with the Husky pup and I hope she finds a better trainer before she gets too afraid of her dog and gives up. I used to assist in training class with my trainer to help out with my fees. There was a lab who absolutely did not get what "down" meant so my trainer told me to take the dog over to the other side of the room and teach him to down. Using treats, clicker, and encouragement - I had that dog doing a down on command in a few minutes. There was no forcing necessary. He never forgot and his owner was so happy. I wish you good luck.
04-09-2014 11:01 PM
Pax8 If you're at Petsmart it's a standardized curriculum. They teach sit, down, stay, come, take it, leave it, and drop it. They also work on counter conditioning behaviors like chewing, barking, biting, and jumping up. Depending on the trainer, it can be decent for basic commands and socialization. But again, that depends on the trainer. I'm working at a Petsmart right now as a trainer and we get all types. Some, like me, have experience training obedience and dealing with problem behaviors. Others, like one of my coworkers was pulled off of cash register to be a trainer (she just got her first dog ever a month ago). And at the store I'm going to be transferring to, the lead trainer has been training for 40+ years and used to title his dogs in obedience, agility, and nosework. So it really depends on the person. I would try speaking with other customers to get their opinions on trainers, and if you aren't satisfied with a trainer, don't be afraid to take your money to a well-reviewed trainer at another store or another training facility.
04-09-2014 10:49 PM
Madisonmj97 I'm supposed to be going to a puppy class this week as well but at Petsmart... What exactly do they do in puppy classes similar to the one I'm going to?
04-09-2014 10:35 PM
critterlady Lesson learned, the puppy kindergarten class started out ok, then turned scary. There was a lady that had a spirited husky puppy, the trainer stepped in and basically man handled the dog, tried to force it down, almost got herself and the dogs owner bit, it was awful, the dog owner left almost afraid of her dog. The trainer tried to get us to use our leashes and hands to force our dogs into down position, i had already taught Zeus to go down using treats so he went down on his own. Needless to say, I will not be going back!

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04-06-2014 09:12 PM
sechattin That would be good. For any trainer I don't know, I pretty much always ask to sit in for a class before I decide whether or not I'm comfortable with it and if it looks like it would be appropriate for my dog. I've only had one trainer tell me no, but from what I've heard second hand, I wouldn't have wanted to train with her anyways
04-06-2014 09:09 PM
critterlady The puppy kindergarten is only a one time class, I thought about going to that and then asking if I could sit in on one of her training classes, without my Zeus, so I could get a better idea of her methods.

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