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05-14-2014 01:16 PM
Waffle Iron I make an effort to introduce Lanee (my 3yo Shepherd) to as many dogs on walks as possible. She's generally very curious and wants to meet other dogs and all goes well. We've made some doggie friends she'll want to go out of her way to see when we're walking now. Sometimes though, she won't get along with a dog she meets - but that's normal.

But the biggest thing is be confident and don't show your dog apprehension when approaching another dog. German Shepherds have a very good ability to feel how their owners are feeling and they'll react accordingly. Make it a positive experience.
05-08-2014 02:54 PM
Amurphy26 When people talk about different training methods I think they forget what works for one person doesn't always work for another.

I know using correction techniques and firmer handling works with my dog, I've seen it done and I've seen instant results.......with other handlers. That made me feel like a useless handler because I just could not do their techniques properly. Some I didn't feel comfortable with but other I was just useless at executing. I had to find a technique that worked for the dog AND me.

We now do only positive techniques and it's slower progress but it's working for us.

There isn't a technique that can be adopted by all and it can knock the confidence of handlers to say this is how you do it, it works, so just do it.


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05-08-2014 11:52 AM
MaggieRoseLee I'd definitely work on finding a trainer.

And realize this is NOT uncommon behavior. And the reason you don't see it more is cause most people give up so quickly resulting in their dogs living in their house/yard for their entire lives.

DISTANCE is your friend. Once your dog reacts, you lost that round, too late. You need to have a better plan. And earlier plan. Remembering that distance is in YOUR favor and the better you get at working with it the faster your dog will learn. Once they've have exploded and lost their mind you are just in 'clean up' mode and have to realize ZERO TRAINING will be happening.

Have you seen these? (and do the dogs behaviors look familiar?



05-08-2014 10:40 AM
DJEtzel
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Had to have been done improperly or you're embellishing.

Regardless of that I've seen plenty of people who attempt a counter conditioning program that mess it up and set back all their progress by allowing the dog to continue to practice the behavior. So either way you go if done wrong it goes wrong.
That is the whole point. It was done improperly, because it doesn't take much to mess up timing and the general pet population does not have any idea what that means. You're suggesting they correct the dog, without explaining what that means at all, and they aren't going to do it right and can easily make the problem worse.

I've personally never seen a LAT training go wrong. There's only one way to do it right and I teach it in person to make sure owners have the correct timing and are rewarding/marking the proper times.

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Right. A good trainer is going to be where it's at because if you can't get the timing and sequence right for the aversive side of things it's very unlikely you could do it click and treat. Both require knowledge of a correct sequence and things like timing, thresholds, and being able to read a dog are essential and not teachable by text.
This is also not true in my opinion. I teach some clicker classes, and lots of R+ classes with marker words and people do not make the same association with timing whatsoever. They can be doing a great job marking and treating, but don't generalize for corrections and are getting nothing across to their dog with misplaced corrections.

You make a great point that it is not teachable by text, which is why it is so bothersome that people throw out "just correct the dog" - because they have no idea what that means and it's very possible to mess up their dog in a bad way. No one ever created a fearful or aggressive dog with treats, just sayin'.

(And I know you'll bring up some random scenario where it's possible- those are very extreme circumstances and not the point at all)
05-08-2014 09:32 AM
Baillif Right. A good trainer is going to be where it's at because if you can't get the timing and sequence right for the aversive side of things it's very unlikely you could do it click and treat. Both require knowledge of a correct sequence and things like timing, thresholds, and being able to read a dog are essential and not teachable by text.
05-08-2014 09:03 AM
simba405 These reactivity threads always turn into a click and treat vs correct the dog debate.

Op you should get a trainer. The dog is clearly walking all over you. Putting him in different harnesses and collars isn't fixing anything, it's trying to mask the problem.

Reactivity is fairly common in the breed. Difference is some of us decide to take the long way with treats and teach "watch" and others put their foot down the first time it happens and teach the dog what is acceptable behavior and what isn't and it never happens again. If this were my dog I would use aversives and correct. But given your first post I'd question if you could give the proper and consistent correction necessary so a trainer is definitely your best bet.
05-08-2014 08:18 AM
Baillif Had to have been done improperly or you're embellishing.

Regardless of that I've seen plenty of people who attempt a counter conditioning program that mess it up and set back all their progress by allowing the dog to continue to practice the behavior. So either way you go if done wrong it goes wrong.
05-08-2014 07:54 AM
DJEtzel
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I wouldn't, and routinely fix this in less than a week.
Lol alright? I routinely see this made worse with aversives. Your point?
05-08-2014 07:35 AM
Baillif
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I would avoid aversives for this. He's being reactive. Totally normal.

work on Look At That training hardcore and you will see great results.
I wouldn't, and routinely fix this in less than a week.
05-08-2014 03:58 AM
Chip18 Post eight; "Who pets my Puppy or Dog" is what I did for my guy with "serious" people issues, and in the process, dog issues never appeared so I never had any need of the "Dog reactive Dog" threads. "Who pets...." taught my dog how I expected him to behave "period!"

So other dogs was never a separate issue to be deal with. On a recent walk. I stopped to speak to a neighbor, she had three guys behind the fence bark. bark. barking! My guy stood calmly behind me never made a sound! After a couple of minutes of "no" response from him, the three shut up!

I continued to speak to the neighbor and all dogs stood around calmly! I was actually surprise the three yappers shut up, when they could not get a response from my guy??


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