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04-07-2014 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by martemchik View Post
And so, if a breeder is making it seem like the fact that their dog is a therapy dog and so it should be bred because of that...its false advertising because I know 100% that they are using the lack of knowledge on the customer's side to make their dog seem greater than it truly is.
Either that or they just don't know what it means themselves.

The conformation breeder who produced my MIL's poodle touted that the sire was a therapy dog, but it wasn't her dog, she didn't put the certification on him, and she didn't seem to know what it actually entailed.

In that circumstance it didn't really bother me, because I'd steered them toward a conformation breeder and away from performance breeders on purpose. But it was pretty funny.
04-07-2014 06:29 PM
Harry and Lola To me, I would prefer a breeder use bitches and dogs that are free of or least low in hereditary and inhereditary diseases. Give me progeny with no displaysia, Haemophilia, EPI etc any day.
04-07-2014 04:52 PM
carmspack meanwhile in Holland , thinking the malinois bred for work , don't concern themselves with titles , many of the dogs not even having "pedigrees" as in being registered. This does not mean they are unknown , most likely somewhere along the line some "other" breed was slipped in.
The dogs are thoroughly evaluated and very critically evaluated for what they are producing .
04-07-2014 01:10 PM
carmspack but they wouldn't have titles?
04-07-2014 12:29 PM
Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA View Post
my error, when I said "therapy" I meant "service" in my initial post.
Oh absolutely!

That's why I made sure to say therapy...I would never ever put down the work for a true service dog or even emotional support animal.

I would love to see more GSDs as service dogs, and those lines to be used in breeding programs to produce more dogs with those types of solid temperaments and work ability.
04-07-2014 12:20 PM
JakodaCD OA my error, when I said "therapy" I meant "service" in my initial post.
04-07-2014 12:11 PM
Blanketback A TD isn't a dog that's passed a test. A dog that's passed the test is just that: trained well enough to pass. A TD is an actual gift to those who want the interaction with a dog (or other animal) and this is how it happens. Just passing the test means a foot in the door - the dog needs much more than that to be a worthwhile TD. Not that I think this is any indication of breedworthyness. But if the dog has what it takes to be a TD, chances are good that it has what it takes to go beyond that as well. If people mix up therapy and service, it's either an honest mistake or it's intentional.
04-07-2014 11:43 AM
Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA View Post
I find your "therapy dog seriously" remark, quite offensive, maybe you should tell that to people who have service dogs for mental/emotional/physical support.
Just a heads up...and I know its late to the game, but that's my point. A THERAPY DOG is not a SERVICE DOG or an EMOTIONAL SUPPORT DOG. A therapy dog has NONE of the rights that a SERVICE DOG has.

People don't know those distinctions. They see "therapy dog" and think that's is a service dog. And its not. MY DOG IS A THERAPY DOG. It means he's passed a few tests (not unlike the CGC) that have proven that he's "safe" around people and is obedient enough that if something does happen, he's more likely to listen to me, than attack a "surprise" of some sort.

I think people with service dogs should take offense when other people are making it seem like their therapy dogs are equal to their service dogs and therefore are "above pets." And so, if a breeder is making it seem like the fact that their dog is a therapy dog and so it should be bred because of that...its false advertising because I know 100% that they are using the lack of knowledge on the customer's side to make their dog seem greater than it truly is.
04-06-2014 08:27 PM
lhczth I removed all of the posts that contained the childish and petty bickering.

gsdsar's warning still stands!!

Admin Lisa
04-06-2014 08:23 PM
carmspack there you go . Police service and SAR must search on multiple surfaces, temperature , and aged and contaminated .
Birch-Bark Hill , go , find , Spook TDX (Kilo daughter ) Trust one of the first to achieve Urban Tracking Dog Excellent , and Blast Urban Tracking Dog Excellent , at 2 years of age.

When you can go out for an evaluation with a barely 7 month old dog to a location 50 miles from home , that you have never been to , get out of the car and immediately without pause do a 1/2 mile stranger track , high wind , chilly day , repeat with another dog 6 weeks older and nail it then you can talk about tracking . These are skills inherent to the dog . Deep , bred-in-the-bone . Unfortunately "titles" give little information as the skills necessary to trial and title can be nurtured along , and have multiple tries to achieve success.
You go out to present a dog for service and you have ONE chance to make that impression. The door doesn't close , it slams shut.

Then from there you hand over the leash and the dog was put through a test evaluation as close to the Swedish mentality test as I have seen with one exception and that was that you handed over the leash. NO support or comfort being close to familiar handler. Off to the woods they go for the separation and friendly and hostile stranger approaches.
Article indentification.
Retrieves, hunt drive , friendly fire, fire at distance .
A portion you endure sitting in your vehicle while the dog is gone , driven to another location.
At the end yet one more evaluation . Clearing a dark building , walking up stair case in a dark windowless building . Lastly being put into busy factory type mechanical commotion .

That was part of the test for Stark -- who was successful and ended up in Buffalo , and that was part of the test for Silva , who a year later became a bomb detection dog for Toronto.
Both of them , ironically from two sisters Rachel and Case . Each one of those untitled dogs produced for Customs, narcotic, Personal protection , and Case several first , second and now third generation dogs in service . Case produced Journey IPO 1 , who is just starting her journey. In the future she will produce a generation of dogs for service.
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