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|03-29-2014 04:53 PM|
The thing is, he normally does have flashy commands. It's only been in the last three or four weeks that he's been dragging. Before that, I could tell him to do anything. Sit, Down, Stand was all a flash. Come when called? You'd think someone kicked him he came so fast. So it's not like I'm trying to make him do something he never had. I'm more trying to fine tune him back to where he was.
And for drive? I should get a picture of him when he's waiting to start an agility sequence, in a near crouch, eyes laser focused on the course, and then the explosion when he takes off to run the course and earn his tug.
|03-29-2014 04:49 PM|
Imo if the dog doesn't genetically get all crazy and have that oomph for commands then it just doesn't have it. If you have to add corrections and pressure than you're forcing the dog to do something he isn't all that into. If you're trying to compete then I can see doing that. If he's just a pet then why pressure him into a quick down if he doesn't have the drive to want to do it in the first place?
Not every dog is driven enough to be quick and have flashy commands.
|03-29-2014 03:12 PM|
|sechattin||Next time I get a chance, I'll take a video and see about posting it.|
|03-29-2014 03:10 PM|
|sechattin||Maybe that's part of the reason the Rotties I worked never got collar-wise. On days we were doing training sessions, it usually went on when I woke up and then I had breakfast and got dressed. So they really never associated the collar with corrections are coming, it was just something they wore every now and then. I always made sure behaviors were solid and sharp before working them without the collar so I guess they just always assumed it wasn't a question about whether correction would come with or without the collar, they just knew that correction would happen if they chose not to follow commands because even without collar, I always made them follow through. That was before I knew much about what I was doing and was basically just a stupid kid.|
|03-29-2014 03:07 PM|
|Baillif||You really should think about taking a training video and either posting it or pming it just so we can see what's going on.|
|03-29-2014 03:04 PM|
|sechattin||Alright, thanks Baillif, that was very clear! I saw a nice looking tab and a Sprenger online not too long ago that I think I'll order. I'll start layering corrections over what he already knows and see how well it works with him.|
|03-29-2014 03:00 PM|
|Baillif||To make that a little more clear if the collar was the only thing you used to enforce behavior and the dog figures it out the best case scenario is the dog just does what he's supposed to with the collar on. Worst case scenario he bites you when you try to put it on him.|
|03-29-2014 02:44 PM|
Originally Posted by sechattin View Post
Something like that. Usually 3-4 feet long. I prefer them at 3 feet long or so and a cm or so thick. Some people call them tabs. They are awesome. People always ask us why we use them and we have a hard time sometimes putting into words why they're better than leashes. They just are. I sold one I was using to a client around the same time I was starting Zebu on the contact heeling and didn't even bother starting back up again until I had my new one. It allows you to "feel" everything better. Gotta walk your fingers up and down that leash like a spider moving along a strand of silk. People who use them know what I'm talking about maybe you guys can put it into better words. I just know I love them, especially after they are broken in and super soft.
As for your second question. I don't know what you were doing without seeing you do it. All I know was it was wrong.
As for the collar wise thing. I can only tell you how I look at it. Some people don't care if a dog gets collar wise. If the dog knows he has it on and you mean business then good.
Some put the collars on the dog in a crate or something and then wait 10-15 minutes before talking the dog out and doing obedience so that the dog never learns to associate the collar with the corrections which is pretty much what it means to be collar wise.
My take on it is this. If the dog knows a behavior and I know he knows and he fails to carry it out the consequence will come. I will make it happen. I don't care if he had no equipment on at all that consequence will come in some shape or form. It is independent of the corrective collars, it is independent of how far he is from me at the time, and it is independent of anything he tries to do to make it right. The dog doesn't become collar wise because the collars don't matter when it comes to enforcing a behavior. All the dog associates the collar with is training, and he loves training, therefore he loves the collar.
|03-29-2014 01:58 PM|
Originally Posted by JeanKBBMMMAAN View Post
As far as goals for training, I'm shooting basically for any titles I can earn with him. Currently working on behaviors for Agility, Rally, Obedience, and Therapy work, focusing mostly on the Rally and Agility for now. If I get the extra time at some point in the future, I'm also interested in seeing if Shutzhund would be a good fit. He seems to work best under some pressure.
|03-29-2014 01:42 PM|
|sechattin||I think the ecollar will be out for me. The cost of the collar plus the cost of a good trainer to teach me how to use since I've never used one is probably out of my budget. Plus, I'm just generally uncomfortable with ecollars. I have used prongs before way back in the day, so some prong work to tighten things up sounds good. Baillif, few questions for you - What do you mean by "obedience leash" - are you talking about just a 4-6' lead or something different? Second, the dogs I trained previous with prongs were apparently blockheads because they never became dependent on the prong or figured out that the prong couldn't correct them if it wasn't on, but I'm pretty sure Kaiju will be smarter than that. So advice on making sure he doesn't become collar-wise?|
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