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04-03-2014 08:36 AM
Blanketback
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Originally Posted by shawnshayan9 View Post
Yesterday I came home with him and there were people already in the house that he has never met and he was totally fine. He didn't bark and they gave him treats and he let them pet him.
Perfect! Then it's not a problem with strangers in the home, it's a problem about door manners. That's so much easier to fix. I like to make my dog work for what he wants, not punish him for not doing what I want - so I'd forget about using the prong for this.

Do you have a crate? I would make sure Hunter was in his crate before someone comes to the door. I know barking will happen, it happened with my pup too - but I want my dog to bark when someone is at the door, every time, so I don't want to get rid of that.

I do want my dog to be quiet when I say, but that's a whole other command. The main thing is to not let the pup out of the crate until he's quiet. That way, he learns on his own that being quiet gets him what he wants: to investigate the guest. Sometimes people will be afraid of dogs, so be careful of this. I didn't let my pup out of the crate at all if that was the case. Be consistent, and it will work. You need patience for this, because there will be times when, just as you open the crate, the pup will bark again. You have to say no and close it again, and start over.

It seems like the hard way to do it, when you can just use the prong to get a sit, but IMO it's better to take more time to get a pup going in the right direction. I'm more concerned about being quiet and not jumping on guests, so I don't want to rile my pup up - I want to settle him down. The prong can work against you in these cases, if the pup is already overwhelmed.
04-02-2014 10:46 PM
SunCzarina Otto never went through a second fear period in an observable way like Venus did. Before this pair I had older rescues, all older than 6 months and I just plain don't remember back to the dogs I had 20 years ago. Or more likely had no clue what was going on in their puppy brains until I had a 6 month old rescue who was freaked out of her puppy mind and I did a lot of reading on puppy brain maturity (for lack of a more technical term).

With Venus it wasn't any sudden change or scary experience, she just got to about 6 months and things started freaking her out. My formerly unflappable pup was suddenly noticing new things in the world and she didn't like them. She wanted to scare them away - like the day she flipped out barking at a statue in the park she'd seen 20 minutes earlier from a different angle. Scared barking, hackles all the way down to her tail.

Otto like I said never had moment where he acted afraid but he did some 'I'm trying out my big scary dog act' between 6 and 8 months. First time I notice my puppy was no longer all sweet and accepting of everyone, he cornered the plumber. Otto had been outside with my older female. When they came in, he heard a noise upstairs. Flew past me and ignored all my go in the kitchen, leave it, come back, stand down! commands. I raced up behind him to find the plumber using the toilet tank as a shield and my puppy doing a completely untrained yet perfect form bark and hold. LOL the plumber still tells that story and the guys always ask that Otto be crated.

About the same time, we got a new couch set for the den. I had the delivery guys move a chair to the front parlor. Again Otto came in from outside except this time he wasn't mad at the long gone delivery guys, he had to stand there and bark at the chair. It was so ridiculous I couldn't stop laughing but it was completely unacceptable.

Those are just the entertaining stories of when Otto discovered he scares people.
04-02-2014 10:00 PM
Chip18
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"Any biting between 13 and 16 weeks is a sign of dominance?"

Well, I have have heard of various fear periods. Some dogs have them, some dogs are not bothered by them. Some of the article sounds like a lot of excuses for bad behavior. On the other hand, some dogs do go through some interesting phases, where, if we remain in control, calm, and consistent, the dog will generally pull through and do ok. If we over-react, tighten up, break out in a sweat, and put a death grip on the dog's leash while we scream at the other dog's owners to keep them back, well, we might just do more harm than if we stayed quietly at home until the dog was 12.
Thanks that's why I asked for input! I found it on a Boxer Breeders site, they don't ship there puppies till they are 12 weeks old?
Had not seen that before?

I thought it was cut and dry my self (fear periods) maybe Rocky hit a "second fear period" don't know(he was in range by that info) but he's the only dog I had that happen with...people aggression.

But apparently I handled it well! Learned a lot with this guy!
04-02-2014 09:18 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by Chip18 View Post
Second fear period was news to me also.

Found this maybe someone can expand upon it?

Dog Club, Critical periods in your puppy’s psychological growth
"Any biting between 13 and 16 weeks is a sign of dominance?"

Well, I have have heard of various fear periods. Some dogs have them, some dogs are not bothered by them. Some of the article sounds like a lot of excuses for bad behavior. On the other hand, some dogs do go through some interesting phases, where, if we remain in control, calm, and consistent, the dog will generally pull through and do ok. If we over-react, tighten up, break out in a sweat, and put a death grip on the dog's leash while we scream at the other dog's owners to keep them back, well, we might just do more harm than if we stayed quietly at home until the dog was 12.
04-02-2014 09:08 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by shawnshayan9 View Post

Today someone was outside fixing a plumbing issue and my eyes weren't on him he ran out and start circling around and barking at him so I had to chase him and put him in my room.
That should not happen a dog should not step out the front door without being released! He made that call not you.

Some info here and I would strongly recommend you read the "Who pets my puppy or Dog" essay. Your dog is making his own decisions and many of them are bad ones!

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...allenging.html
04-02-2014 09:01 PM
Chip18
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Originally Posted by Saphire View Post
What exactly is 2nd fear period?

I personally don't want my dog to take food and toys from strangers, quite the opposite in fact.

I would however mark and reward them when they stop to verbal "enough" or "it's ok" or whatever command you want to use that signals your dog to stop barking, growling etc.

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Second fear period was news to me also.

Found this maybe someone can expand upon it?

Dog Club, Critical periods in your puppy’s psychological growth
04-02-2014 07:53 PM
Saphire
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Originally Posted by SunCzarina View Post
A 6 month old isn't protective. He's trying out the big scary dog act because he's going through his second fear period.

You need to make everything happy and fun now. Enlist people to come over, hand them a bag of treats or toys to give to your puppy. Keep him on his leash and when he accepts a person (because you said to), he's the best dog in the whole wide world! If he barks and acts like a lunatic, shame and crate for the duration of the visit.
What exactly is 2nd fear period?

I personally don't want my dog to take food and toys from strangers, quite the opposite in fact.

I would however mark and reward them when they stop to verbal "enough" or "it's ok" or whatever command you want to use that signals your dog to stop barking, growling etc.

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04-02-2014 07:20 PM
shawnshayan9
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Originally Posted by Blanketback View Post
How is your pup outside of the home: likes people, hides from them, wants to lunge towards them?
On walks he is good he doesn't bark or anything with me but with my girlfriend he does bark at people sometimes. But if someone makes eye contact or comes up to him very fast he will bark and get scared

Yesterday I came home with him and there were people already in the house that he has never met and he was totally fine. He didn't bark and they gave him treats and he let them pet him.

Today someone was outside fixing a plumbing issue and my eyes weren't on him he ran out and start circling around and barking at him so I had to chase him and put him in my room.
04-02-2014 01:30 PM
Blanketback How is your pup outside of the home: likes people, hides from them, wants to lunge towards them?
04-02-2014 01:23 PM
shawnshayan9 How long do you think I should put him in another room for after he does that?


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