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04-08-2014 08:24 PM
Sri
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lol. Love that face.
04-08-2014 12:55 AM
SummerGSDLover OH! And my husband was getting him all riled up by shuffling his feet and jumping around and I STILL got Yogi to immediately stop and look at me and he went into a down. That was AMAZING.

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04-08-2014 12:52 AM
SummerGSDLover Update as of today:

And SUCCESS!!! He's listening without treats. I took one of the links off of his prong and kept it up by his ears. I think it was too low. It wasn't around where his normal collar sits by any means but I moved it up about an inch and now he's doing the commands perfectly. The corrections weren't strong enough. He's still wagging his tail and I can tell the corrections aren't breaking his spirit. But he IS listening better than ever. Making eye contact now too - which is super exciting!
He's improved so much that he is now doing sit, down, and stay with hand signals and voice commands from 25' away. Almost 100% every command even with five kids (mine and the new neighbor kids who just moved in last weekend) riding around on bikes and scooters and people he doesn't know walking around.

I AM SO HAPPY AND PROUD OF NY YOGI BEAR!!!

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03-26-2014 03:04 PM
SummerGSDLover
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Originally Posted by SunCzarina View Post
That's what I was thinking a couple posts back with the NILIF. Especially if he's a charming dog who's not really bad (destructive, out of control) so much as defiant about doing what he's told.
He is a charmingly defiant dog. Lol. He listens when we're in front of people and I swear he likes to show off how well he listens. But at home blows me off. Is there such thing as giving your dog too much attention? I have three kids. They take up a lot of time. He isn't in his crate a LOT but he's in there anytime I can't watch his interactions throughout the day. He goes everywhere with me for the most part.
Interaction example:

Me sitting on floor with two youngest kids tying shoes. Yogi walks over snuffling around and trying to grab shoes. I tell him to leave it and go get his ball. He brings the tug. I say, "Your ball." He gets his ball. I tell him to sit. He sits. Kids need something, I turn away and he grabs the ball. I tell him to drop it. He drops it. I grab the ball and toss it. He then takes the ball and goes and starts playing with my other dog. When I'm done with kids, I go tell him he's a good boy and give him rubs and take him outside to throw the ball around.

That's just one piece of my 18 hour day with kids and dogs and husband. I also will ignore him while playing with my other dog sometimes because he pushes her away from me and she's very submissive so will just go back to bed. Idk. That probably was a waste of typing because it can't tell you anything.

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03-26-2014 11:52 AM
N Smith He sounds young, he needs WAY more positive reinforcement training, repetitions and consistency IMO.

Also, reward never becomes non-existent, he just learns to work harder for it.

Here is how it was explained to me by an awesome IPO trainer:

Teach your dog reward is like a harvest is to people. It is always coming, but you have to put it "X" amount of work to get it. When people grow crops, they work hard, diligently, and without fail, in anticipation of a reward that is months out. That reward is tremendous, so in knowing that the farmers put in everything they have. Once that harvest comes, the feeling that all that work put in was worth it encompasses the being.

This is how dogs should view reward - hope it makes sense!

Also, it is something to be built up to. By the time my dogs were ready for their BH this concept had been instilled. But we worked and trained for MANY, MANY hours with short games, HIGH levels of reward and play prior to starting to build that up.
03-26-2014 11:39 AM
SunCzarina
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Originally Posted by Blanketback View Post
How much attention do you typically give your pup, and on whose terms? Do you lavish him with love every time he comes looking for it? Maybe that's the problem, and he needs to understand that life doesn't revolve around him. Just a thought.
That's what I was thinking a couple posts back with the NILIF. Especially if he's a charming dog who's not really bad (destructive, out of control) so much as defiant about doing what he's told.
03-26-2014 10:51 AM
Blanketback I don't agree with food deprivation training - I know, I'm going against the flow, lol - but instead I'd look at the motivation behind the motivators. For example, food deprivation works because the dog has to eat, that's an easy one. But why are the toys not interesting, and why isn't he making eye contact? Being the social creatures that they are, you should be able to work this in your favor. How much attention do you typically give your pup, and on whose terms? Do you lavish him with love every time he comes looking for it? Maybe that's the problem, and he needs to understand that life doesn't revolve around him. Just a thought.
03-26-2014 08:50 AM
Gwenhwyfair Motivation, timing and consistency. My trainer repeated that over and over,

Food or toy drive, motivation, gotta build it up <see bailiff comments
Timing, marking the behavior quickly enough that the puppy makes the connection
Consistency as Carmen said in another thread, consistency equals trust to the dog.

Micheal Ellis DVD the power of training with food, he does a good job breaking this down step by step for us newbies.

I'd ditch the trainer as it sounds like she's making excuses for her ineptitude with you, her client.

Don't loose hope, you'll get there.
03-26-2014 08:28 AM
dpc134
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How much is that dog eating? Most pups would kill for hotdogs but if you're feeding 4 cups a day or something like that it could be pretty demotivating. The prospect of a 12 course meal sounds fantastic if you haven't eaten in 24 hours but if you just got done stuffing yourself at Thanksgiving or something and then someone breaks out a 12 course meal it's pretty aversive.
This is very true.
I had an issue with my pup chewing on something that she knew was wrong and I caught her in the act. I did not feed her for 1 day. No treats, no food. The next day, she was like a different pup. She obeyed everything I said and never chewed on that item since.
Food is extremely powerful, but only when the dog is viewing it as a necessitiy / survival. If the pup is eating too much, she is not yet in survival mode.
I would take a close look at how much the pup is eating.
03-26-2014 04:20 AM
SummerGSDLover
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Originally Posted by Jakesworld View Post
Ha ha, seems teenage amnesia is quite common. My boy Jake, came down with pano at 7 months, a mild case, but I still gave him time off from training. Mistake! Now at 8 months we are going through all the basics. Again. That's ok, we just set ourselves back a little. Now it's repetition, repetition throughout the day. He never did forget how to chase the cat though!
Yes. Yogi was down with a nasty case of undiagnosed giardia then had a hernia repair surgery done. That probably has a lot to do with his disobedient behavior.

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