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03-25-2014 11:44 PM
Gretchen Stories like these make me glad I do not text or have FB.
You are wonderful for your giving nature, but in the future you should look for
more professional organizations.
03-25-2014 11:00 PM
LifeofRiley
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Originally Posted by Merciel View Post
Yes EXACTLY!, that is precisely why it makes me so mad.

Also, to be honest, I don't want to adopt a dog out to somebody who just wants the dog because "omg gotta save it right now!!" IME, those are typically not great adopters. You get a higher-than-average percentage of unstable drama chasers and hoarder types driven by the (probably genuine, but badly misguided) impulse to "save" urgent dogs at the absolute last possible second.

I want to adopt dogs out to people who have carefully considered and chosen that dog because they feel it's a good match for their homes. I don't want people acting out of some imaginary timeclock pressure.

It's just bad on every level. Graa that makes me bonkers.

I totally agree with you! The all-breed rescues that I work with, who pull dogs from local and regional shelters, do not play on people's "savior complex." At the very least, I can say that I will not allow my foster dogs to go to the first sympathetic person. I am very discerning.
03-25-2014 10:46 PM
Merciel
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Originally Posted by LifeofRiley View Post
I can't stand people/shelters/rescues who "cry wolf" because it takes away from those occasions where the urgency is, in fact, urgent! There are real urgent cases out there every day!
Yes EXACTLY!, that is precisely why it makes me so mad.

Also, to be honest, I don't want to adopt a dog out to somebody who just wants the dog because "omg gotta save it right now!!" IME, those are typically not great adopters. You get a higher-than-average percentage of unstable drama chasers and hoarder types driven by the (probably genuine, but badly misguided) impulse to "save" urgent dogs at the absolute last possible second.

I want to adopt dogs out to people who have carefully considered and chosen that dog because they feel it's a good match for their homes. I don't want people acting out of some imaginary timeclock pressure.

It's just bad on every level. Graa that makes me bonkers.
03-25-2014 10:05 PM
misslesleedavis1 Well, I dont think it will. My experience with the rescue I was part of for a year will likely not cause a chain reaction. To address another forum members post, maybe there is bullcrap at the shelters end of things too but that does not excuse the insane texts I got nor does it excuse banning me / defriending me on fb. All that seems pretty extreme for a miscommunication I think. Anyways, my thread was not aimed at how terrible rescues are. I think they are great and people should explore adoption , this rescue in particular certainly takes care of there dogs, vetting and caring for them to the fullest, its how they treated us that made me upset.

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03-25-2014 08:59 PM
LifeofRiley I can sympathize with sit/stay, RebelGSDs and Merciel's experiences.

But, having been a recipient of actual euthanasia lists from shelters in the greater midwest and central south, I hope people reading this thread do not walk away with the impression that there are no dogs out there that will actually be PTS the next day. Because, there are a lot of dogs that are put down when a rescue or adopter does not step up on behalf of that dog.

I can't stand people/shelters/rescues who "cry wolf" because it takes away from those occasions where the urgency is, in fact, urgent! There are real urgent cases out there every day!
03-25-2014 05:54 PM
Merciel
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Originally Posted by sit,stay View Post
It is so common for some shelters and some rescues to use the "euthanasia list" rallying cry.
This is true and it galls me to no end.

One of the things that I absolutely hate about the rescue I volunteer for is that, frequently, the volunteers who post the Petfinder listings will copy-paste exactly what's on the original shelter post.

The original post often includes a euthanasia date, because while the dog was in the shelter, it had a euth date. But by the time we pull it, the dog is safe. We're a foster-based rescue; we don't euth for space. So when we put up a Petfinder listing, that particular snippet should be edited out, because it is no longer true information.

Lots of times the volunteer leaves it in there, and I am pretty sure that it's not entirely accidental. It does drive inquiries; I know because I get people emailing me desperately wanting to know whether the dog has been put down yet. And I always have to tell them that no, the dog is not actually in any danger, that's just an artifact of the original listing.

Anyway that particular thing drives me bananas so I wanted to rant about it. I've yelled at them about it before, but somehow it mysteriously never seems to get fixed.
03-25-2014 05:08 PM
selzer
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Originally Posted by my boy diesel View Post
i am sure breeders have their share of crazies too
This.

You've had a bad experience with one rescue. Unfortunately, the dog world is a little like a religion of sorts. Or like how religion has many sects, and individuals are more or less passionate, devoted, orthodox, radical. And don't think churches/religions do not have politics -- they can be some of the worst, because you are believing that all these people follow the same moral code that you do and they act like this in meetings, and behind the scenes. The dog world is very much the same as this -- politics, different levels of involvement. And I expect the rescue section can be more prone to this by its very nature. It appeals to people by appealing to the part of us that wants to save a critter from suffering, pain, etc.

And so, with sensitivity, and urgency, and other things I am not thinking of at this moment, like helpers -- some personality types, you are going to have an environment that is conducive to drama.

The chances are that you see a lot of what is behind the rescue, the true nature of the people in that rescue the deeper involved you are, and also the more likely you are to be hurt by it. Rescues need people who will rescue the dogs, and they need fosters and volunteers. Unfortunately, some are unhealthy, and once you get burned by one, it is likely you don't want to be in that position ever again.

Instead of swearing off rescuing dogs, what you can do is going only so deep into helping in a helping-organization. And guarding yourself, so that you do not allow other people's unhealthiness affect your happiness.
03-25-2014 02:16 PM
RebelGSD In my case, the person who called me and lied that the dog was on the euthanasia list was the official rescue coordinator. I guess by getting me to pull one dog she saved the life of another dog, at the price of me being declared a liar. I did not see any benefit of this woman attacking me on facebook, and discrediting me. Two dogs ended up being saved.
03-25-2014 01:26 PM
sit,stay
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Originally Posted by RebelGSD View Post
What I am trying to say that shelters don't always tell the truth either, not to rescues or the public. So, to the OP, are you really sure you know who was lying?
It is so common for some shelters and some rescues to use the "euthanasia list" rallying cry. Either of the organizations in the OP's case could be lying through their teeth. Or they could both be telling the truth as each of the individuals know it.

The large shelter I worked at (in the foster office) could go more than a year without a dog being on the PTS list because of space issues (meaning being on the list for no other reason than we had no room to continue to house that dog). But there were certain volunteers that would get on their cell phones and start "working their contacts" whenever they felt like it. As a consequence, it was my office phone that rang with offers to foster the little dog in kennel 408 that was going to be "killed" that night if it didn't leave right then. All because the volunteer thought that "saving a life" (no matter how in danger that life was) was worth it. The ends justified the means. I had one volunteer tell me that these were white lies used for a higher good, so I should be cool with it.

There are also shelter staff (usually the kennel cleaners) who maintain connections to area rescues. Some rescues feel that having "someone on the inside" works well for them and they seek out kennel workers to build and maintain a connection with. The expectation is that the kennel worker's knowledge of what is going on will give them an advantage. And sometimes the kennel worker will stretch the truth in order to get out a dog they like. OP, it could very well be that a kennel worker lied to the rescue about your dog being in danger.

And it could be that the shelter has a blanket policy of not talking about any particular euthanasia list with any outsiders. I have seen shelters that didn't even make their lists available to their own volunteers or staff to avoid last minute pleas and a wave of community people coming in the "rescue" a certain dog that had been euthanized 10 minutes earlier. Maybe the shelter's blanket policy is to claim that they don't euthanize over whatever incident is being presented to them in the moment ("No, Concerned Citizen, we would never euthanize a healthy animal over a cat incident/a playful nip/resource guarding...") because that is easier than dealing with a ticked off person who feels that there are no valid behavioral reasons for euthanizing.

Some shelters will not discuss the dangers a surrendered animal might be in while the owner is surrendering and other shelters are very graphic in their explanation to surrendering owners. It all depends on how much trouble they have had in the past with either type of owner (have they had more people wig out the next day when they come back to make sure that Fluffy has gone to a rescue like on Animal Cops, or have they had more people wig out in the moment when the worker comes out to take their pet). So, for some shelters, they can have a daily euthanasia list and deny that is the case to outsiders. Or they can claim that any owner surrender is in danger the moment the papers are signed, even if they haven't actually euthanized an owner surrender in years.

Some rescues are just bat crap crazy. And others are so disorganized that nobody really knows what happened in any given situation. Some shelters feel rescues are to be manipulated, and some shelters have so many different personal agendas going on at the same time, between staff and volunteers, that it is impossible to recognize only one "truth".

I know of one breed rescue in Washington state that has broken off and splintered so many times due to competing philosophies within their membership that I was never sure which new faction was in charge from one month to the next. It is just crazy.

OP, your best bet is to just leave it alone. You got a great dog, hopefully your contract doesn't give them the right to come and take it and you now know better about who you want to work with. Lesson learned.
Sheilah
03-25-2014 11:19 AM
RebelGSD As to who said what... One day I received a call from my local shelter that they are full and a dog I asked them about was on the euthanasia list, I would have to pick her up next morning. I was expecting an adoption in a few days and posted on FB for help for a 2-3 day temporary foster. On FB a woman attacked me that I was lying and that this dog was not in danger or on a euthanasia list. I said the shelter staff member called me to tell me that she was on the euthanasia list. Then this woman further accuses me of lying, that nobody from the shelter called about this dog. I had the phone number of the staff member both on my caller ID and on my phone bill. Still I was accused of lying on FB. So I called the staff member to ask her what was going on. She tells me that the woman attacking me is a troublemaker but raises funds for the shelter so they put up with her. I asked to call the woman and clarify with her that I was not a liar and that she should not make such accusations. I don't know what the staff member did. A few weeks later I had a similar situation, same staff member calling, again the dog was apparently not on the euthanasia list. Apparently, this staff member played on my feelings and wanted the dog out, even though it was not on the list, so that another dog does not get euthanized. I believe the staff member lied to me, although she never admitted it (but was struggling to invent explanations and excuses). Unfortunately I was attacked on FB, accused of lying and made look bad. I did block the woman who attacked me.
And , keep in mind that many shelters are not particularly eager to advertise on the phone that they euthanize dogs. In a different shelter a friend of mine was told he had to pick up the dog within 24 hours or he will be PTS (he lived 10 hours away and the adopter dumped the dog at the shelter). After a big FB effort the dog was pulled on time. A few days later the shelter posted a rebuttal on line that the dog was not (never) in danger, that they were no kill It was certainly not what they told my friend.

What I am trying to say that shelters don't always tell the truth either, not to rescues or the public. So, to the OP, are you really sure you know who was lying?

Also, I don't think it is a good idea for the animals to go to the shelter and tell them that the rescue was lying to you. They might refuse to work with the rescue in the future to avoid trouble and ultimately the animals will get hurt.
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