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03-22-2014 05:40 PM
glowingtoadfly It has been only recently, within the last month, that she has been able to tug with us without mouthing. We tried it back when we first brought her home and it made the mouthing worse, but now she seems to understand that she isn't supposed to do that. If Grim tries mouthing in the house, she corrects him firmly. It's pretty funny coming from her...
03-22-2014 05:26 PM
carmspack that sounds perfectly reasonable. People create the same friction with their dogs trying to make them "safe" around food .
glad to see this change .
03-22-2014 04:53 PM
glowingtoadfly There were many helpful suggestions in that thread :-) Today at her first IPO obedience training the helper did a lot of one on one work with her on tug. Our technique was not engaging her enough. She is actually able to play tug with us now without degenerating into mouthing, and she allowed everyone who wanted to meet her to pet her with a wagging tail and loose body, which is progress. She did growl at the helper when he handled her head during tug, but he gave us some more help on that as well. We were "outing" her too much during play and it made her posessive of the toy.
03-22-2014 04:43 PM
carmspack I don't know . Ask your behaviourist . Seems like there were a lot of suggestions on http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...g-lines-2.html , where you mention the dog disciplining you with her teeth , mouthing, and not like being handled.
03-22-2014 01:36 PM
glowingtoadfly I believe that our breeder raised her well, with proper enrichment and stimulation, but I do not know her learning history from eight weeks to ten months or so. I always keep that in mind:-)
03-22-2014 10:58 AM
carmspack Edited to add link: Solo: What every puppy needs from the start, Patricia B. McConnell




nuggets of wisdom from the Patricia McConnell link --

a much larger
problem: pups who grow up in the absence of a
normal amount of stimulation, whether it's from their
littermates, their mother or the environment around
them.

the profound effects of early experience
during the first weeks of development aren't well
known by most people, and millions of dogs and the
people who love them suffer for it.

The brains of puppies aren't fully developed at
birth, and what happens in the first few weeks of life
affects how puppies' adult brains are structured.
Puppies (and humans for that matter) who grow up in
sterile environments have brains with relatively few
connections between brain cells. Puppies who grow
up in enriched environments, with lots of sensory
inputs, develop into adults with a veritable spider
web of connections between neurons. Those
connections, called “dendritic branches,” are formed
early in life, and affect how many brain cells are
actually used later in life.

Our
American obsession with cleanliness and our
ignorance about the consequences of environmental
sterility have damaged many other puppies as well.
I've worked with dogs from well-known
“responsible” breeders who raised their pups in
pristine cleanliness, and complete and utter
environmental impoverishment.

The lack of an enriched, variable environment is a
surprisingly common problem. Most people know
that dogs need to be “socialized” during their
sensitive period of social development between five
and 12 weeks of age. But far fewer know that
puppies, long before they go to their new homes,
need a complex, changing environment in their first
weeks of life to develop into the “best that they can
be.” It always breaks my heart to meet these dogs,
the ones raised in a wire-and-cement kennel with
little opportunity to grow and stretch their brains, not
getting what they needed when they needed it.

Too much stimulation at an
early age can backfire on you and end up harming
your puppy.


xxxxx I have had singleton pups . One recently was bought by Veteran's association to be trained for a returning vet with PTSD . He is doing remarkably well . NO issues .

another litter so many years ago to Klockow's Lex , only 2 pups. Male went RCMP, female was used in my breeding program.

Bambi -- one of my nearly 12 year olds - singleton --- no issues .

all raised with the normal enriched environment.

so if anybody is faced with possibly taking on a pup that comes from a small litter , don't be dissuaded , do check and ask the important questions of the breeder . How did you raise the pups.
This is good advice for ANY sized litter .


03-22-2014 12:21 AM
glowingtoadfly http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/sit...he%20start.pdf
We have found that a lot of information on singleton puppies also applies to Skadi. She came from a two pup litter, but my husband and I think it was small enough to have an effect on her.
03-22-2014 12:08 AM
carmspack "She came from a two pup litter and dogs from one or two pup litters often have handling issues."

they do?
03-21-2014 11:33 PM
glowingtoadfly
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Originally Posted by Baillif View Post
Youre maybe being over sensitive. When i go into posession games with zebu he will growl or roar at me. Same with a malinois here. If you touch him when hes holding something he growls or roars. No big deal.
Yeah, I'm starting to learn not to take it too personally :-) She is quite the little fireball.
03-21-2014 11:31 PM
glowingtoadfly
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Originally Posted by gsdsar View Post
What is the quality of the growl? Is it a serious "back the heck off or I will bite" or is it a playful growl. Yes there is a difference.

My Labrador sounds VICIOUS when she is on a tug or chewing a bone. But she is relaxed and happy. Just a talker. I don't correct it. It's just her.

If your girl is tensing up, preparing for a fight in regards to the toy, it needs to be corrected. I would not recommend a prong. I would teach her that good things happen when you pet her and she has a toy. So, to start I would not be touching her or the toy, I would just approach, say "goog girl" and offer something yummy. Once she is expecting something good as you approach, then lightly pet her,once , and then offer the treat. Slowly build this up so that she associates you with only good, no matter what she has. I would not, for a long time, invade her space, try to take the toy, anything like that. In fact I never do that. Unless she is chewing on something bad. You just want her to feel that your presence is always bringing good things.


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... I think we will start here again with her foundational work :-) Sometimes, in the business of life, it is easy to forget that this dog still needs this and not to be pushed. Thank you for reminding me of this :-)
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