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03-25-2014 02:03 PM
selzer During the crucial socialization period dogs learn things a little differently, and what they learn is usually stronger, or they can fall back on it later on. This is why positive socialization experiences in this time-frame are really good and negative ones tend to be really bad.

But, dogs with no socialization can still be socialized. And dogs that have had bad experienced can learn to be more confident around what was the problem. It is not helpful to think the dog is a hopeless case. It just takes longer and the results may not be as good as if the incident had not happened. You may have to address the situation specifically, and carefully socialize to known stable dogs, over a period of time.

You do not regain the time before 16 or 20 weeks, but you can make it less of an impact.
03-25-2014 01:45 PM
hunterisgreat
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All the "fear" period stuff was news to be...sometimes theres nothing like sheer dumb luck!

But any input on this:

Dog Club, Critical periods in your puppy’s psychological growth
It's not incorrect but I also don't put such rigid timeframes on it. Every dog varies a bit
03-25-2014 01:33 PM
Chip18
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Yeah... With dogs or people, there's that period were things are being etched in stone. Those very early lessons are what set the tone for a lifetime.
All the "fear" period stuff was news to be...sometimes theres nothing like sheer dumb luck!

But any input on this:

Dog Club, Critical periods in your puppy’s psychological growth
03-25-2014 09:13 AM
pyratemom
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Try not to over-react when your dog over-reacts. Just tug on the leash and keep moving. Do not stop and let the dog get into his routine. A little tug and say, "it's only a dog," or kid or whatever, in a pleasant normal tone.

Keep walking with your dog. He had a bad experience, but now he needs to get over it. No coddling. Protect him. No baby talk. And if you are nervous, suck on a mint.

That might sound like weird advice, but many obedience people know that dogs key in on us. When we are nervous, our breath changes enough so our dogs can mark the change and sucking on a mint can make a difference.

Keep your voice up beat, and happy, keep your pup moving. No nonsense. It's just a dog, and move on.
The first time I heard about the mint thing was at a show. They had a bag of mints by the starting gate and I asked someone with knowledge why. That was when I learned how our breath changes when nervous. All the above is great advice. Be proactive in giving your pup positive experiences. Don't baby talk or overprotect. Be a leader. Be confident. Your pup will pick up on the confidence and feel safer. At pup stage they look to us to be their protector as they go through fear stages. Choose carefully which dogs you let approach.
03-25-2014 09:09 AM
Baillif Id be trying to show the pup good pictures (at the risk of providing more bad ones) in as controlled a setting as I could but yeah. Might have been too much and theres no going back who knows.
03-25-2014 08:11 AM
hunterisgreat OP I'll tell you this, when I have a puppy no strange dogs are allowed within 10 feet for the first few months.
03-25-2014 08:10 AM
hunterisgreat
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Right it could stick. You're doing damage control and if you get on it early enough you'd see improvements but if I had to guess full normality might not be in the cards.
Yeah... With dogs or people, there's that period were things are being etched in stone. Those very early lessons are what set the tone for a lifetime.
03-25-2014 08:04 AM
Baillif Right it could stick. You're doing damage control and if you get on it early enough you'd see improvements but if I had to guess full normality might not be in the cards.
03-25-2014 07:43 AM
hunterisgreat Sadly the pup got a life lesson at a formative age... He'll be dog aggressive for the rest of his years.

1. The 3 year old lacked nerves and social skills. What should have happened is if the older dog didn't like the puppies advances, he would hold his head gently but firmly in his mouth with a growl or two, and the puppy would submit.. No harm done. You will see this in stable dogs dealing with younger dogs, particularly pack dogs.
2. You should be your pups pack leader. You think his momma would have let a strange dog come near a pup? No way, nice, mean or indifferent, momma wouldn't trust a strange dog, end of story. If you're approached, actively and aggressively step in front of your puppy and make it clear to the handler and** the dog with eye contact and a squared off dominant posture that no one approaches your pup. Hopefully your pup believes you're in control and gonna protect him and that might help with the issues.

But like I said, that was about the worst possible age for that to happen and it's gonna stick. Had the same occurred 3-6 months from now, it wouldn't be as much a concern
03-25-2014 07:28 AM
Baillif A good doggy daycare works too. Anywhere he can meet and interact with dogs where there is structure and not a free for all.

It's just a superstition. In the same way an e collar on full blast meant to keep a dog from counter surfing can make a dog scared of going into the kitchen at all (particularly if they don't go into the kitchen much before that incident and thus don't have a lot of previous experiences in the room without being zapped) you have to set up a bunch of good experiences with friendly dogs until the dog figures out it was a one off deal. This shouldn't be done at a dog park ofc.
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